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***tanked_as_usual*** · 02-05-2010, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Chin Music33

Not really a rebuilding answer, more of a what do you think.

Ricky Williams.......any chance at all we could sign him? He is supposed to retire this offseason, but he just had one hell of a season. We have taken on head cases in the past, and for the most part they have worked out. The thing that stands out to me about our SB winning teams, is that we had a workhorse RB. Antoine Smith was solid for a short run, and Corey Dillion was a solid workhorse. Ricky Williams is not an old man by any means, as he has only really logged 7 complete seasons in his 10 year career. He is a very young 32 (age) by NFL RB standards. Any chance we will kick the tires on this? If people are throwing LT's name out there (hes all done), then we could at least give Ricky Williams a phone call.

not as a feature back, but I would love to have tomlinson as a 3rd down back

***Deus Irae*** · 02-05-2010, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Chin Music33

Not really a rebuilding answer, more of a what do you think.

Ricky Williams.......any chance at all we could sign him? He is supposed to retire this offseason, but he just had one hell of a season. We have taken on head cases in the past, and for the most part they have worked out. The thing that stands out to me about our SB winning teams, is that we had a workhorse RB. Antoine Smith was solid for a short run, and Corey Dillion was a solid workhorse. Ricky Williams is not an old man by any means, as he has only really logged 7 complete seasons in his 10 year career. He is a very young 32 (age) by NFL RB standards. Any chance we will kick the tires on this? If people are throwing LT's name out there (hes all done), then we could at least give Ricky Williams a phone call.

Williams will be playing for the Dolphins in the upcoming season. I think you misunderstood reports you read or heard:

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n Tuesday, Williams revealed to The Miami Herald that he signed another one-year contract extension this offseason that will keep him in Miami through the 2010 season, at which point he said he plans to then retire as a Dolphin.

Miami Dolphins' Ricky Williams signs extension, plans to retire after 2010 - Miami Dolphins & NFL - MiamiHerald.com

***DaBruinz*** · 02-05-2010, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Actually, it was nothing but irony. Any trainer who couldn't figure out that a knee wasn't ready to go after months of rehab and weeks of practice would be fired from every team I've played on or associated with in any way. Whoever cleared a player to play full contact football only to have the knee 'fail' in the first game would be considered incompetent and dangerous.

In the case of the NFL, that's why teams have 3 weeks to decide about a player after PUP.

WOW. Just WOW.

First off, Tate's knee didn't "fail" in the first game he played and no where did I imply that it had. A "failure" of the ACL would be it tearing again. And that isn't what I said. Secondly, if you were as smart as you pretend to be, you'd know that game conditions are different than practices. And how the knee reacts under those conditions is how they determine in what direction you're going. So, even though he might have been cleared to play, they are still going to check the knee after the practices and after the games to see how it's doing. That is standard procedure with any LEGITIMATE team. And if they feel that it's regressing, which can happen, then they can shut him down for the year instead of risking the possibility of making it worse. You seem to have forgotten that every person is different.

***Deus Irae*** · 02-05-2010, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DaBruinz

WOW. Just WOW.

First off, Tate's knee didn't "fail" in the first game he played and no where did I imply that it had. A "failure" of the ACL would be it tearing again. And that isn't what I said. Secondly, if you were as smart as you pretend to be, you'd know that game conditions are different than practices. And how the knee reacts under those conditions is how they determine in what direction you're going. So, even though he might have been cleared to play, they are still going to check the knee after the practices and after the games to see how it's doing. That is standard procedure with any LEGITIMATE team. And if they feel that it's regressing, which can happen, then they can shut him down for the year instead of risking the possibility of making it worse. You seem to have forgotten that every person is different.

First, a "failure" of the ACL wouldn't necessarily require a re-tearing.

Second, despite your claim, it's actually extremely easy to simulate game conditions. In fact, physical therapists can put you through paces that are more intense than most game conditions. What you can't simulate is the impact of the emotional stress and the mental aspects of being 'tuned in'. All the physical stuff can be easily duplicated. Naturally, freak occurrences in either rehab or live games are things that are not generally pre-tested.

Third, your comment about how trainers analyze the injury during the rehab is exactly the point. They have to get it right. If not, it's a problem. If it's a big enough screw up, or if it happens often enough, they get the axe. I've seen it happen on multiple occasions. I didn't forget anything. Screwing the pooch on an ACL repair/rehab, if that's what happened, would be just the sort of thing that could cost jobs.