JR4

There are many brands of Toothpaste ... there is only one NFL ....
so if a group of owners wants to tell fans what going on, what's about
to affect the one and only Football league .... I for one would like to know
and there may be others that would also like to know.

JoeSixPat

I take it we can count on you making your marriage counseling sessions public?

Howabout posting your salary negotiations on the internet?


Perhaps just start with your real name name, JR4.


After all, what are you trying to hide?


Do you not see ANY reason why it might be a GOOD idea to conduct difficult negotiations in private?


Is your name John Henry perhaps? You seem to think that EVERYTHING should be shared with the media and the public, and that any effort to discuss things privately MUST be counter to the greater good.

That just strikes many of us here as very odd.

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mgteich

The last phases of negotiations should always be held in private. At some point, everyone needs to be locked in a hotel room until it's done.

PATSNUTme

NEWS FLASH: the only stories that leak are the ones that a certain owner wants to spin in his direction.

We will get the full story when everything is over. ther will be more than a few owners who will shoot off their mouths to their favorite reported.

Even if we knew about evrything going on in these meetings, what in the world would we do about it anyway?

The most important thing is that they get the CBA done. How they finally agree to it is probably none of our business anyway.

Mike the Brit

Yes. I completely agree. Deals with the negotiators facing in two directions are hellishly difficult without having to stand up to feed-back from behind while the negotiations are going on. You need one guy who is tough and smart -- if you want to see what happens to sports organizations with no unified leadership look no further than European soccer.

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JR4

Yes you are probably right, well the story after the "horse is out of the barn"
as they say.
The only reason I can see why some owners wnat to go public is because
things have stalled and they believe public opinion will help them get what
they want.

In other words your opinion and other fans opinion might be on
the side of the owners that want to publically say something
but those owners are being surpressed. Doesn't that concern you?

Since we are Fans
and the shape of the NFL in the future may very well at stake
and we are the fans that pay the dollars that makes it all possible
then I think given that these owners want to tell us something we should have the right to hear what they got to say.


Yes, you make a good point. But that "unified leadership" should not bend to a
group owners whose adgenda may not be in the best interest of the fans
or the health of the other owerships. Apparently these owners who would
like to speak publically think the fans would be on their side.
Otherwise why would they go public?

JoeSixPat

I just think many of us don't see what is to be gained by having all the parties do their negotiating in clear view of the media.

There's a rumor that last week the Red Sox sent their ownership out to meet with Roger Clemens. They supposedly kept this secret from the media because they (finally) determined that the media spotlight had hindered past negotiations.

What was discussed with Roger? How much money? How much time off?

Would I like to know? Sure - I'm curious. Are they trying to hide something? Doubtful - there's just no reason to share such details with the media.

The bottom line for the fans - whether its the Red Sox or the NFL CBA or any sports oriented negotiation - is whether a deal gets done or not.

If it doesn't get done, we the fans lose out. And there's absolutely no reason to think that public negotiations HELP achieve an agreement.

Indeed, every example I can think of suggests that negotiating through the media is a BAD idea. It might help both sides to spin but ultimately that doesn't help foster agreement.

By advocating for public disclosure of private negotions, you're advocating for an environment where an agreement is MUCH LESS LIKELY to be achieved.

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JR4

I'm all for private negotiations. They have been doing that and they are
apparently at an impass. One group of owners apprarently now thinks bringing
in public opinion may get things going again. maybe it won't ... maybe it will.

Once again, the owners wanting to make it public must think the fans would
side with their position .... otherwise why go public ..... and that group of
owners is being surpressed.

This seems to indicate that there is something that is being proposed that
will not be liked by fans who pay the dollars to make this whole thing work.
Is my logic at fault here?

dhamz

Yes. This has nothing to do with the fans. The only thing players and owners always agree on 100% is they want to get as much of the fans $ as possible.

It has to do with the owners getting the best deal from the players and it has been proven time and again in negotiations that having 1 voice speak for you works - especialy in sports.

JR4

Funny ..... two contradictory statements:
1. This has nothing to do with the fans.
2. ..... they want to get as much of the fans $ as possible.