nantucketguy

I'm a fan of the trade. ESP if we sign him back as a FA this offseason. I think he'll HAVE to take a pay cut. Noone will sign him for more

MoLewisrocks

He could have and he could not have since the rules are tied to the number of FA lost vs. signed that determine if teams even qualify for comp picks. In the uncapped year there are additional restrictions on final 8 and final 4 teams signing FA tied to the extent you lose FA so it's not nearly as likely you get a comp pick which is never a given to begin with.

The Patriots chose to walk away from Seymour before he walked away from them. In doing so they decided that losing a year of service was preferable to the potential of getting no compensation or compensation at the tail end of the 3rd round in 2011 vs. a first round pick in 2011 that they believe could be a top ten pick in a rookie capped draft. Most of the pundits and experts said it was not a stretch to see that a team that always has it's eye on the long term would perceive that deal as value added.

There had been something going on between the coaching staff and Richard for a long time. He chose not to have surgery after the injury that dogged him through 2005 and 2006. I think that was because he wanted his extension first. He did through his toady use that as an excuse for his less dominant performances through 2007. When Belichick cut Milloy I thought he was an arrogant prick who was intent on ruining everything I had ever dreamed of. I got over it by the end of the season because we won. But I didn't understand how wrong and uninformed I was until Patriot Reign came out. For all we know there was a similar dynamic at work where Seymour was concerned. His sack numbers were up in 2008. But was he really still an impact player here or one whose impact was consistent enough to warrant paying him a double digit salary and eschewing a first round draft pick in exchange for a final year of service? I know you believe you know the answer to that question. I just don't think you are remotely in a position to. Only one guy really is and I know what he decided to do.

Deus Irae

How often does it have to be noted that if we all just use that "only BB knows" theory, there's no use for a message board, because a link to the Patriots' PR person would be all that was needed? One of the problems with the Homers is that they crack out that 'defense' as if it means something. Of course, Belichick should be the most knowledgeable, in theory, about the moves Belichick is making. That doesn't make him perfect, and it doesn't put those moves above discussion or criticism.

Also, it's actually pretty easy to compare how the pocket collapsed and/or needed to double Seymour last year with how the pocket stays strong this year and the pressure is almost exclusively from the outside and blitzing, just as it's pretty easy to see how well Seymour shut down the run last season and compare it to Green's comparative inability to do so this year.

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MoLewisrocks

I know you have to believe all that in order to maintain your ability to make arguments here. But it doesn't have to be about arguing and critiquing here. It can be about learning and understanding. Bill talked extensively yesterday about some of the misconceptions broadcasters and fans perpetuate because they simple lack access to the information that explains what actually happens in games. Not just the coaches tape, either, since absent an understanding of what each players role was to be on each play and how what the opponent did in response dictated within a rules parameter what adjustments each player could or would have been expected to make it's impossible to know who played well and who screwed up and who didn't show up...or why. Bill has earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to making decisions because he is privy to more information than any of us and he's got a track record that is second to none. If you believe grasping that makes me a homer, so be it. Just understand that the counterpoint is not grasping it makes you just another kneejerk malcontent IMO. And one I used to think while at times oddly annoying was too smart to be just that...

BPF

Hey while we're at it, in addition to bringing back 27 yr old Seymour why don't we bring back 2003 Ted Washington, 2003-2007 Vrabel, 2003-2004 Rodney and 2003-2004 Bruschi for the playoff run.

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emoney_33

I think you are going about this all wrong. No doubt at all that Seymour is better than Jarvis Green. No doubt that he would be a benefit to this year's team.

I -miss- Seymour, but I do not disagree with the trade. He would have commanded too much money and walked away next year. We got a 1st round pick in 2011, I like the deal taking everything into account. As a fan I miss his talent on the D-Line, but I also understand the trade value.

Leave No Doubt

BB's willing to let fans bash him and second guess him because he knows the only cure for that would be for him to tell us absolutely everything, and that's not happening anytime soon. I don't think there are too many Belichicklets around, despite Mazz' rant lol

But back to Sey; I miss him but there was an undercurrent of discontent simmering there for quite awhile, the media alluded to it at times but to Sey's credit he didn't comment a whole lot on the issue (iirc).

BB's cuts go deep, always have always will. I miss all those guys and I'd LOVE to see us with a mean pass rusher right now,but I think THIS present team has the potential to gel and develop into a fierce D.

I miss Big Sey, I wish he could've stayed another year but I don't think BB made a mistake. Big Vince was the obvious choice.

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Deus Irae

You are a homer. Are you seriously going to claim you're not? You have become such a homer that you confuse reasoned disagreement with being a kneejerk malcontent, and Belichick's word with God's pronouncements.

Now, some notes:

1.) Bill hasn't "earned" the benefit of the doubt from anyone who doesn't agree with that position: It's not something factual, after all. It's a personal opinion regarding BB's status. As you well know, I have always tended to give Belichick the benefit of the doubt, even when I've disagreed with him, prior to his very odd moves this year. He lost that status with me. Hopefully, he'll regain it soon, because I'd rather have more confidence than questions when it comes to the head coach of my favorite teams, and I don't have that when it comes to Belichick right now.

2.) Given that you project your opinion into how Belichick/the team is thinking more than anyone else on this board, any comment about learning and understanding that comes from you is ridiculously hypocritical. Also, again, a message board is for a discussion of what's happening, whether you call it "learning and understanding", discussing and analyzing, or something else. Since Belichick isn't on here daily going over all the minutae, all this "learning and understanding" has to come from people other than your Patron Deity. You cannot do that if you freeze out any negative analysis, which is really what you're arguing for when you bash everyone who questions the actions of the current regime.

3.) Bill's "got a track record that is second to none" is an opinion, not a fact. One could make that same argument of Tony Dungy, Don Shula, Bill Walsh, Chuck Knoll and others.

4.) Bill blows a whole lot of smoke up people's skirts during his press conferences, either through false information, deliberately embellished information, or false claims of a lack of information. Believing everything he says is as stupid as discounting everything he says.

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Leave No Doubt

Ty Law...Laywer Milloy... it's like Build-A-Fantasy-D using any player, active or retired. We could build an army just using Pats players alone

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PatsDeb

I don't know if he's a premier 3-4 D-lineman at this stage of his career, but I agree with this poster that he could have helped us, we shouldn't speak ill of him and the trade was a good deal for what we got in terms of the big picture.