Anyone still miss Seymour? Final results are in - Page 11 - New England Patriots Forums

pao · 01-06-2010, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by aluminum seats

Eh. Sounds like a familiar song. I think it's gonna be years to until the Raiders pull themselves out of this--or rather, whenever Davis goes away. I'd say it's a lock they win between 4 and 6 next year, and that'll be top 10 at least.

We'll see. You might be right.

NovaScotiaPatsFan · 01-06-2010, 06:33 PM

I'm still drinkin it!!!

***shmessy*** · 01-07-2010, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by emoney_33

I would lend you $100 today and get back $100 tomorrow, that's equal value. However I can PROFIT by your desire of getting that $100 today, since I know you will value future money less than current money and charge you interest. I am the one profiting, I am the one making out on the deal by being patient. You get your fix today while I get the better value tomorrow. Is this a hard concept? It's not that $110 tomorrow is worth equal to $100 today, it's that your PERSONAL time adjusted value for $100 today is more important than the $110 tomorrow.

Exactly. This is where you are right on the money and Mgteich doesn't get it.

BB is the bank that charges exhorbitant fees and the Raiders are the idiot credit card consumers who run up debt at their 24.9% rates. BB is the shyster gouging them. Just because that happens in our economy to idiot consumers doesn't mean that they are getting "real value" on their transactions.

A 3rd rounder in 2009 is not worth a first rounder in 2011. It only is to an Al Davis or a Dan Snyder.

If Mg wants to accept their idea of valuation, then fine.

Just as long as there actually are people in charge of other NFL teams that are willing to make the same judgement and BB can take advantage of them - - I'll be happy to watch it.

***mgteich*** · 01-07-2010, 11:18 AM

You have argued the position clearly, along with the normal exagerration. You post as if the patriots are the only ones who trade forward and back, and that only hopeless organizations like Oakland and Washington trade future picks. Someone can do the research, but there have been lots of such trades. And just BTW, TENN and JAX do not resemble the raiders in any way, but they traded future picks to the patriots.

There is no question that a current is better than a future second. I will continue to say that there is a time value that is NOT equal to zero. Disagree if you must. Exagerrate if you must. Beleive that the organizations in JAX and TENN are idiots if you must.

Perhaps you think that Denver and Josh McDaniels were idiots when they traded their 2010 first for a 2009 2nd.

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Originally Posted by shmessy

Exactly. This is where you are right on the money and Mgteich doesn't get it.

BB is the bank that charges exhorbitant fees and the Raiders are the idiot credit card consumers who run up debt at their 24.9% rates. BB is the shyster gouging them. Just because that happens in our economy to idiot consumers doesn't mean that they are getting "real value" on their transactions.

A 3rd rounder in 2009 is not worth a first rounder in 2011. It only is to an Al Davis or a Dan Snyder.

If Mg wants to accept their idea of valuation, then fine.

Just as long as there actually are people in charge of other NFL teams that are willing to make the same judgement and BB can take advantage of them - - I'll be happy to watch it.

emoney_33 · 01-07-2010, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mgteich

You have argued the position clearly, along with the normal exagerration. You post as if the patriots are the only ones who trade forward and back, and that only hopeless organizations like Oakland and Washington trade future picks. Someone can do the research, but there have been lots of such trades. And just BTW, TENN and JAX do not resemble the raiders in any way, but they traded future picks to the patriots.

There is no question that a current is better than a future second. I will continue to say that there is a time value that is NOT equal to zero. Disagree if you must. Exagerrate if you must. Beleive that the organizations in JAX and TENN are idiots if you must.

Perhaps you think that Denver and Josh McDaniels were idiots when they traded their 2010 first for a 2009 2nd.

It's not about being an idiot, it's about sacrificing a little in the future to fill an immediate need.

I don't think people who take out mortgages are idiots, nor people who use credit cards. However the banks and credit companies get the better of it in the end. Stop trying to make it about what it is not.

And please tell me when BB has traded a future 1st for a current 2nd

***shmessy*** · 01-07-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by emoney_33

It's not about being an idiot, it's about sacrificing a little in the future to fill an immediate need.

I don't think people who take out mortgages are idiots, nor people who use credit cards. However the banks and credit companies get the better of it in the end. Stop trying to make it about what it is not.

And please tell me when BB has traded a future 1st for a current 2nd

Thank you, emoney_33, that's exactly the point.

It's the Golden Rule - - he who has the gold makes the rules. As Warren Buffet says "The stock market is an efficient pipeline where money flows from the impatient to the patient".

The Patriots are in a position to be patient. The Redskins, Raiders (and yes, Mgteich, the Titans who haven't won a playoff game in 6 years, and the Jaguars who are about to move out of town) are in more desperate positions.

***Deus Irae*** · 01-10-2010, 06:02 PM

Well, NOW the final results are in, and the idiotic decision to trade Seymour was on full display today as the Ravens ran all over the Patriots and the Patriots couldn't generate anything approaching pressure up the middle.

A terrible trade, and the results spoke for themselves today.

The Dynasty · 01-10-2010, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Well, NOW the final results are in, and the idiotic decision to trade Seymour was on full display today as the Ravens ran all over the Patriots and the Patriots couldn't generate anything approaching pressure up the middle.

A terrible trade, and the results spoke for themselves today.

You cannot say this until we see who the Pats get in return for him and how he turns out. Also, with what we do with Wilfork and if we sign him to an extension and for how much money, and also which players we sign this off season.

The trade was not meant to help the team now, it was to help the team in the future. I dont think you understand that. Seymour demanded a lot of money and the Patriots did not want to pay him. To me it was a choice between Wilfork and Seymour, they were not going to have both after this season and the Pats decided that they wanted Wilfork. Instead of seeing Seymour walk after this year and get nothing for him they got a 1st round pick for him. You cannot say this trade was good or bad until we see who the player is that we draft with that pick in 2012 and how he turns out.

***BradyFTW!*** · 01-10-2010, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dynasty

You cannot say this until we see who the Pats get in return for him and how he turns out. Also, with what we do with Wilfork and if we sign him to an extension and for how much money, and also which players we sign this off season.

The trade was not meant to help the team now, it was to help the team in the future. I dont think you understand that. Seymour demanded a lot of money and the Patriots did not want to pay him. To me it was a choice between Wilfork and Seymour, they were not going to have both after this season and the Pats decided that they wanted Wilfork. Instead of seeing Seymour walk after this year and get nothing for him they got a 1st round pick for him. You cannot say this trade was good or bad until we see who the player is that we draft with that pick in 2012 and how he turns out.

I'm inclined to agree with Deus, but this is a fair sentiment as well. Gotta wait and see what we get out of the pick, and if we're lucky we'll have a blue-chip talent comfortable in the Pats' system and coming into his own right as Brady and Moss are retiring, thus ensuring that we stay at the middle of the pack for a few more years.

TP76 · 01-10-2010, 06:18 PM

I don't miss him. He was gone anyway, and we got a great draft pick. Offensively, there are far more alarming issues. Bye Richard - now we need a viable running game. This team is run-n-shoot weak.