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The Dynasty · 12-14-2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RayClay

Really? Look at our third receiver (Or second, Welker's actually a slot, not a 2) . How do you think our pass offense would look without Moss commanding 2 and 3 defenders each play?

*lightbulb goes on*

Well the last time I checked a slot receiver isnt any different than a wide reciever atleast in the stat sheets...

Our pass offense most certainly would suffer without Moss out there. I have even posted on this. Even with Moss not giving his full effort he still has to be given the respect and draw double and triple coverage which only makes his teammates better.

***Deus Irae*** · 12-14-2009, 06:05 PM

Shockingly enough, Moss could be hurt and getting defended by all 11 players on the other team, and it would still be possible that he wasn't giving 100% focus and effort. The same non-defense "defense" is happening on multiple threads now. How many people are covering Moss isn't determinative of whether or not Moss is going balls to the wall on every play, or every game.

Of course, anyone who's listened to the idea that sometimes Moss will deliberately go less than all out on some plays in order to fool his opponents already knows this.

RayClay · 12-14-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dynasty

Well the last time I checked a slot receiver isnt any different than a wide reciever atleast in the stat sheets...

Thanks, the perfect entree for my new sig.

The stats sheets? did you really say that?

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“You know how I feel about stats,” Belichick said. “Stats are for losers. The final score is for winners.

A receiver that catches a lot of 5 yard passes and a receiver that gets double and triple coverage 40-50 yards down the field are quite different in their effect on the game and how the defense plays.

If you don't realize that, I give up.

Welker's an outstanding slot receiver, no doubt.

The Dynasty · 12-14-2009, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RayClay

Thanks, the perfect entree for my new sig.

The stats sheets? did you really say that?

A receiver that catches a lot of 5 yard passes and a receiver that gets double and triple coverage 40-50 yards down the field are quite different in their effect on the game and how the defense plays.

If you don't realize that, I give up.

Welker's an outstanding slot receiver, no doubt.

Talk about taking things way out of context...

I know what a slot receiver is. I am just saying that there is no difference in the way stats are kept for a slot WR and a wide receiver. Welker is the #2 receiver on this team. You were saying Welker isnt the real #2 receiever on this team and I was saying that you're wrong with that

RayClay · 12-15-2009, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dynasty

Talk about taking things way out of context...

I know what a slot receiver is. I am just saying that there is no difference in the way stats are kept for a slot WR and a wide receiver. Welker is the #2 receiver on this team. You were saying Welker isnt the real #2 receiever on this team and I was saying that you're wrong with that

If you have a #1 receiver, a #2 runs a lot of intermediate routes, like Gaffney did. Gaffney had the versatiltiy to probably play most receiver roles, but he was fairly tall and could legitimately be called a #2.

A slot receiver is really a safety valve who runs around in the short area trying to get open. He can run longer routes sometimes bur he is a slot receiver. A running back may have the second most catches on the team, but he's still a running back.

Let's say you misunderstood me and I misunderstood you OK? It has nothing to do with stats. I'm talking about roles on the football field.

Gaffney was our #2. Galloway was a different type of #2 than Gaffney, but was intended to be our #2 WR.

Troy Brown surprisingly went from a third down receiver to probably a slot (don't know) to a great #2 (Brown and Patten were so obscure, it's hard to say who was a #1, but Patten was the speed guy while Brown ran the #2 type routes).

Welker might lead the team in catches one year, flop the next, he's still a slot receiver unless they change his role as they did with Troy. Moss Might have the most catches or not, his role is still the #1 receiver because he runs those routes. I don't think people use terminology like flanker and split end so much anymore because players line up in different spots.

They still differentiate the role of a slot receiver though. I'm talking roles, not stats.

***DarrylS*** · 12-15-2009, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by RayClay

Thanks, the perfect entree for my new sig.

The stats sheets? did you really say that?

A receiver that catches a lot of 5 yard passes and a receiver that gets double and triple coverage 40-50 yards down the field are quite different in their effect on the game and how the defense plays.

If you don't realize that, I give up.

Welker's an outstanding slot receiver, no doubt.

We have the same signature, I picked up my new one yesterday.. not that it makes any difference...

Without regard for that, have felt that Moss has looked tentative, may not be really hurt in the injury report kind of way..but recovering from back pain, avoiding the hit and not 'stretching out"....

RayClay · 12-15-2009, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DarrylS

We have the same signature, I picked up my new one yesterday.. not that it makes any difference...

Without regard for that, have felt that Moss has looked tentative, may not be really hurt in the injury report kind of way..but recovering from back pain, avoiding the hit and not 'stretching out"....

I have sciatica, I'm sure a lot of people do. Some people have worse back problems. You don't recover from it. It get's better or worse, but it doesn't go away. You can get risky operations or you can just treat it and hope it subsides and doesn't flare up at a bad time.

He's the only player that makes plays for other players just by running down the field.

The whole thing is ridiculous. Axe murderers get faire treatment than Randy Moss. it's absurd. He's playing when he should be in a whirlpool because it helps the team. he's not saying anything, while AD is running his mouth. some of these moron writers need to get a life.

***DarrylS*** · 12-15-2009, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RayClay

I have sciatica, I'm sure a lot of people do. Some people have worse back problems. You don't recover from it. It get's better or worse, but it doesn't go away. You can get risky operations or you can just treat it and hope it subsides and doesn't flare up at a bad time.

He's the only player that makes plays for other players just by running down the field.

The whole thing is ridiculous. Axe murderers get faire treatment than Randy Moss. it's absurd. He's playing when he should be in a whirlpool because it helps the team. he's not saying anything, while AD is running his mouth. some of these moron writers need to get a life.

Could not agree more, Felger et al need to stop worrying about being the highest rated contrarian and spend more time at looking at a big picture...

Sciatica is a b... when I get it and walk close to a table, without bumping it, can sometimes feel the pain.. it can be pretty dabilitating...

Not sure that BB would continue to give him a vote of confidence if he was f..ing the dog out there..

WelshPat · 12-15-2009, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by letekro

Let's get a few things straight:

1. Randy Moss is a first ballot HOF'er
2. Randy Moss would start opposite Jerry Rice (who also played for 3 teams) on the ALL-TIME NFL Team.
3. Randy Moss caught the would-be game winner in SB 42. The fact that our defense got carved up by Goober Jr. in the most critical moment in no way affects his greatness.
4. He has been arguably the most important part of the two-highest scoring offenses in modern NFL history.
5. He is unbelievably talented, but if you think you can be as great as he is without working hard, I don't know what to tell you. You're just wrong.

Great post.

FinNasty23 · 12-15-2009, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyDave

... a lot of people will feel pretty dumb.

Then maybe he should be put on the injury report...