RxJock1120

The safety/cornerback from Virginia Tech. In BB's system, the system is designed for this guy. If it takes an extra 3rd(which we have) and a 6th, I would be willing to give up for this guy. He is a hybrid safety and cornerback just like Eugene Wilson, one year under Harrison and he will be a star in this league. He's got the size for a safety and the coverage skills of a corner. In our defense he will learn how to play the positions. You all know we need to find a safety/cornerback to make this defense work. Williams, if he learns how to play corner would be the perfect choice. Any thoughts???

DaBruinz

1st and foremost, this should be on the draft forum.

Beyond that, I like what I read about him. The problem is that he will, most likely, be gone before the Pats can even think about drafting him. There are several teams ahead of the Pats who need help at corner.

I wouldn't pay anything extra to move up and get him without having seen him actually play.

RxJock1120

I agree if we stay still, he will be gone, but BB has a few extra picks and I can't see anyone who fits the Pats mold better then Williams. BB did nothing last draft, which makes me think he will give up a few picks to acquire Jimmy Williams. If you could give me an honest reason why the Pats don't draft Williams I will listen, but personaly, I have checked a bunch of websites and have seen William droping down because noone knows if he is a safety or a corner, the draft boils down to most scouts don't kwon. Which personaly I believe will not be a problem for the Pats, cause either way it means he fits or he will find a place in our defense. BB like to switch up what player does what, and Williams is the perfect man to do so.

shirtsleeve

Good player. Wont be there at #21. BB almost never trades up. He usually trades down for extra picks. The big first round money usually deters big moves up.

broadwayjoe

Bingo!!! You hit it right on the nail we would only get him if he does a nose dive like Vince Wilfork did.

tombonneau

????

You mean like for Graham, Branch & Wilson.

And those are just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are several more Day 2 trade ups. BB moves up & down all the time, to say he "almost never trades up" is a bit of a puzzling statement.

Digger44

We went up for Ty Warren, maybe 2 slots, but bb got his man.

DaBruinz

Just because you don't see anyone who "Fits the Pats mold better" doesn't mean that there isn't someone there. Unless you can honestly sit there and tell me that you pegged all the guys in the last 2 drafts as "Fitting the Patriots Mold" what basis are you using? Its just pure speculation on your part.

Also, where do you get your information? BB did nothing last draft? What are you talking about? The Pats made several trades last draft. That is why we have the picks we have now.

Also, its highly unlikely that a 3rd and 6th round pick are going to get us up anywhere near where we need to be to draft Williams. One of the other things you are over-looking is the financial cost of someone like Williams. The cost is significantly more than that of a 3rd and 6th round pick.

What you don't seem to be taking into consideration is how the Pats run their draft. The Patriots have their own scouting staff and don't use all these wonderful websites that we, the fans, love to drool over. The Pats run their draft based on the VALUE that they, the Patriots, place on each player. That VALUE stems from numerous things that include Team Need, A player's tangibles, and a Player's intangibles. The Patriots don't just draft a guy because he is listed as the BEST by the different web sites. Otherwise, Ty Warren wouldn't have been the guy they were going after to start with in the 2003 draft. That there should be reason enough not to assume that Jimmy Williams is in the PATRIOT MOLD.

Another reason that Williams may not be in the "Patriots Mold" is because of his attitude. You know. The attitude that got him tossed from the Gator Bowl this year in the 1st quarter. That's conduct detrimental to the team. BB has an issue with that.

DaBruinz

Sorry to rain on your parade. Where do you get that BB almost NEVER trades up?

Ty Warren. Eugene Wilson. Bethel Johnson. Matt Light. Kenyatta Jones. Daniel Graham.

BB makes the trades he needs to make to get the players he wants.

shirtsleeve

Excuse me, he rarely trades away valuable rd 2 and rd 3 picks to move well into the first half of the first round. Thats where Williams will go. Wont be on the board by pick 11, never mind 21.