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Old 12-12-2009, 08:37 AM   #11
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So, the answer to the eternal question, "does ESPN the channel suck or do they just have a knack for hiring mediots?" is revealed.

Mike Reiss goes from being a contented and serious reporter to a drama queen in the span of less than 6 months.

Got to be the ESPN influence, no?
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Brady has thrown picks before, even costly ones. He's still the same player he's always been. Just isn't playing with the same kind of team. Dilfer and Shepard seem to get that, although Reiss can't even comprehend that. Maybe because he simply lifted selectively from this far more balanced piece by Howard Ullman of the AP from a day earlier which included liberal attribution to additional AP reporters...as well as an interesting observation from a safety off the street who just finished owning Randy Moss as well as others that would seem to contridict the tone ESPN Mike apparently wished to set. Hope we don't have to start calling him Ron Reiss...

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FWIW I don't really care what George the Buffalo 4th year UDFA safety has to say about what he thinks he sees on TV. Get enough of that here.
Do you ever allow for the possibility that Brady is off his game? Not permanently, but just in a rut right now? You attacked me for raising that possibility and you had the right to do that because I'm just as much of an armchair observer as you are, but for you to attack these observations is just ridiculous, those players, including Lito are pros and know their field.
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Do you ever allow for the possibility that Brady is off his game? Not permanently, but just in a rut right now? You attacked me for raising that possibility and you had the right to do that because I'm just as much of an armchair observer as you are, but for you to attack these observations is just ridiculous, those players, including Lito are pros and know their field.
I'm not attacking anyone but Reiss. Try reading the AP article he selectively drew from to fit his preconceived spin. The one in which the vast majority of players see no difference in Brady other than his surrounding cast and their collective performance.
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Lito Sheppard nailed both parts of it - the predictability on offense with Brady focusing on 2 guys, and the lack of big plays on defense.

The thing is, when we didn't have guys like Welker and Moss, Brady used to spread the ball around to whoever was there. In 2006 we didn't have much talent at WR - our entire WR group wasn't much better than Edelman, Aiken and Stanbeck, but TB used everyone to the max. He's not doing that anymore. No matter how good the receivers, it's always easier to shut down 2 guys compared with 5-6. At times Brady has seemed locked in on Moss and Welker, rather than looking for the open guy. That's the big difference I see. Whether that's because of a change in Brady or a lack of time, I'm not sure. Maybe a bit of both.

The defense is evolving, and will be good over time. But the lack of pressure on opposing QBs limits it. It's a decent defense, but it's not a defense that "bails out" the offense.
This idea that he doesn't spread the ball around anymore is ridiculous. It's not true. The problem is just consistency at his 3rd/4th options. Brady has thrown 627 yards and 53 receptions to a 3rd receiver this year (Edelman/Aiken/Galloway/Stanbeck). I think the biggest problem is that the TE aren't being used enough in the passing game. Watson is a good catching TE and would really help Brady as a 4th target, but the O-line has been so bad that he almost always stays in the block.

Do people really want Brady to throw less to his best receivers? If their open, let them make the play!
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Do you ever allow for the possibility that Brady is off his game? Not permanently, but just in a rut right now? You attacked me for raising that possibility and you had the right to do that because I'm just as much of an armchair observer as you are, but for you to attack these observations is just ridiculous, those players, including Lito are pros and know their field.
I considered this and then I rejected it.

I think poor play calling on offense is his much bigger problem.

The offense is totally predictable, and that predictability means the players are not going to perform optimally.
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Lito Sheppard nailed both parts of it - the predictability on offense with Brady focusing on 2 guys, and the lack of big plays on defense.

The thing is, when we didn't have guys like Welker and Moss, Brady used to spread the ball around to whoever was there. In 2006 we didn't have much talent at WR - our entire WR group wasn't much better than Edelman, Aiken and Stanbeck, but TB used everyone to the max. He's not doing that anymore. No matter how good the receivers, it's always easier to shut down 2 guys compared with 5-6. At times Brady has seemed locked in on Moss and Welker, rather than looking for the open guy. That's the big difference I see. Whether that's because of a change in Brady or a lack of time, I'm not sure. Maybe a bit of both.
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That's a big part of it, but so is the play-calling. And it isn't Bill O'Brien making the bad decisions, but another Bill on the Patriots who has retained the same system for a few years now.

When you consider that 75% of Brady's passes come out of the shotgun, and that 75% of the time Maroney is in the game, or Brady is under center, it's a run, the offense becomes incredibly easy to gameplan against. You just double up Welker and Moss and it's basically game over for the Pats, especially if you can get a moderate amount of pressure on Tom.

It's unacceptable. This has been going on since the middle of 2007 and Belichick hasn't changed a damn thing about the offense. We need to be running at least 50% of our passes under center, with Maroney in the game. I don't care if he can't catch like Kevin Faulk, or if he's not the best blocker in the NFL. We HAVE to find a way to make the offense less predictable.

There is nothing ingenious about this offense. Heck, it might be the dumbest offense in the league. It's like a 12 year-old playing Madden. Anyone with basic football knowledge can predict what the offense is going to do on any given play, simply based on the formation they're in. That's pathetic.
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The talent is still there around him. For whatever reason if its his lack of confidence in his 3rd or 4th option or lack of creative play calling, the offense this year has looked very one dimensional and predictable.
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FWIW I don't really care what George the Buffalo 4th year UDFA safety has to say about what he thinks he sees on TV. Get enough of that here.
Your knock against Reiss is taken but this is making me scratch my head. You wouldn't give importance to the thoughts of a NFL PLAYER and equate his comments on seeing football film to the same as the fans on this board of whom you can bet 99% have never played professional football??

eye opening indeed.
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I'm not attacking anyone but Reiss. Try reading the AP article he selectively drew from to fit his preconceived spin. The one in which the vast majority of players see no difference in Brady other than his surrounding cast and their collective performance.
this isn't the first time Reiss has done this...
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I considered this and then I rejected it.

I think poor play calling on offense is his much bigger problem.

The offense is totally predictable, and that predictability means the players are not going to perform optimally.
That is what Lito basically said.
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