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emoney_33 · 12-02-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MrTibbs

The Patriots right now are so bad off and lack any sort of play makers on defense and are totaly one dimensional on offense that they have a LONG LONG ways to go. Add in subpar cordinators on both sides of the ball and your talking a team that really isn't much better then say the Packers or Texans.

The Patriots got annihilated by the Saints. How is it the Jets, RAMS....THE freakin RAMS! along with the Panthers, Falcons and Phins who were destroying them could put up a better fight then the Patriots. There is one thing all those teams have in common, they can run the dang football consistantly. I thought the Patriots did ok early on but Maroney got two carries in the second half. That my friends is piss poor game management and panic set in early.

When the Redskins give them a better game then the Patriots we will hear all the excuses about "oh the Saints are burned out from the Patriots game". Let's face it, the defense is god awful and lacks talent. Are you prepared for another offseason of them trading out of the first round into the late 2nd looking for scrubs...errr I mean value?

We beat the Falcons, Phins and Jets, but your point is.... wait what's your point again?

upstater1 · 12-02-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mgteich

Perhaps we should consider Belichick's evaluation that Hobbs was so bad that he would rather depend on both Wilhite and Wheatley. Never mind seeing whether Hobbs was better than Wilhite as a starter. Apparently, Hobbs wasn't good enough to bring back as a dime back and returner. This is how much confidence Belichick has in Wilhite and Wheatley. Are we saying that belichick, after all these years, is incapable of evaluating talent in the secondary? We know he has trouble evaluating receivers and tight ends, but defenseive players should be another story entirely.

Many of us didn't like the idea of Hobbs starting. We considered him a nickel or dime back, and an excellent returner. We thought that this was a valuable position on the team. Other said that he failed as a started so he should be cut. That is sort of like wanting to cut Aiken if he started as the #1 receiver and didn't look good. The issue is that we need a better starter than Hobbs.

Well, BB isn't infallible. Brock Williams, Starks, etc. I do have faith in him but he can't hit on each player. A lot of times, in practice or judging in drills, you look at a player's physical capabilities and instincts, and Wilhite certainly fills the bill there. But once you get to the games you need the ball skills as well.

Put it this way: after the first series of the second half, Butler took over.

b72s · 12-02-2009, 02:25 PM

I was hoping more from him...

We have been horrible drafting LBs and worse in Free Agency???

I hope for something to happen there in offseason for a better edge and pass rush

Bill B. · 12-02-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BradysBunch12

There are no moral victories with a team that has Tom Brady in his prime. Anything less than a championship is unacceptable. Save the "defense is getting more experience" for Detroit.

Just to put things in perspective, Joe Montana played 16 years and won 4 Super Bowls. That's 12 years that he played when he did not win Championships.

Satchboogie3 · 12-02-2009, 05:22 PM

Positives? Really? Positives after getting blown out by the Saints and still being winless on the road when it's already December?

Yeah, I don't see any positives here...

***muzz*** · 12-02-2009, 07:46 PM

I think the order is incorrect, Monday Night we got annihilated in the TRENCHES, we couldn't get pressure, and we couldn't stop them from crowding Tom.

The Trenches are where we need help IMHO, Neal can't stay healthy, Kazcur seems to have that Turnstyle Imitation down pat, Light is mediocre.

DL?
Don't make me laugh, we haven't been able to get pressure in years with our front, and we really only have Mayo for LBS, and he's probably not healthy as he hasn't done JACK ,Guyton is still unproven, TBC is OK- but he's no star player- he's JAG.

I think the secondary problem is second to the Lines Problem, that'd be BOTH Lines.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I am so sick and tired of watching other teams collapse our pocket like we had 2nd graders in there, and they were stealing our lunch $, yet our DL look like the 2nd graders trying to get on a ride at the park, only to stand next to the line and get told they are too short to get on.

Win and Lose in the Trenches