maverick4

Yet another crazy lie in your fabricated reality.

You can't name one coordinator that Belichick has fired since he's been here, even poor performing ones.

Your thinking is so simplistic (and wrong), essentially the same "[x is happening], and Belichick is a genius, so I'm going to rationalize it as Belichick being right or intentionally doing something".

condon84

Look, you're jumping to conclusions. I've never insinuated that a current defense has 11 elite defenders. No one in the history has ever had that, not even the Bears or Ravens when they won a SB.

I'm just pointing out that right now we don't have enough playmakers. That is the truth, and I'm sorry if hearing that hurts your feelings.

Look at the past SB years, we had Seymour, Rodney, Bruschi, McGinest, Colvin, Vrabel, Law as elite/very good players. Plus you had Poole, Ted Washington (when he was here), Phifer, Ted Johnson, Milloy, as good players. Those teams were loaded compared to the current team. I'm not saying we can't develop the young guys into very good players, but they'r not there right now and that's why we are losing to elite teams. Dude, if you can't accept that, then you're homerism is beyond help.

condon84

McGowan was on his way to establishing himself as a very good player. Somehow though, he's tailed off a bit. I don't think he's a liability, but the plays that he was making earlier are not showing up anymore. You see him making tackles after catches or 10 yards from the LOS, where before I saw force incompletions and make tackles 3-4 yards from the LOS.

patsfaninpittsburgh

I know those guys

Those were the guys who gave up 2 fourth quarter touchdowns in SB 36. That includes the TD that tied the game late with less than 2 minutes to go.

They were also the guys on defense that gave up 29 points to Carolina in SB 38. That includes a TD with less than 2 minutes to go to tie the game at 29.

The 01-04 defenses were stacked with players in the prime of there careers (6-9 year range). That morphed to "old and slow".

Now we have "young, fast, and inexperienced". It's not shocking what happened Monday. Even more so because the Saints have done it against every other opponent they have played.

JSn

How much do you want a bet EVERYONE on this team, coaches included, was made starkly aware that they are expendable at today's meeting?

The only guy who wasn't at practice was Taylor.

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BionicPatriot

I really hope this loss delivered a massive kick to the nuts from BB all week.

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condon84

So are you still refuting my original post about this year not having enough playmakers?

You never made the list of who you consider to be elite, good, above average, and average defenders.


BTW, those guys that gave up 2 late TDs in SB 36 kept us in that game and even scored an INT TD. They were up against "The Greatest Show on Turf." Total points they gave up? 17.

And that 03 SB defense? Shut down co-MVPs back to back (McNair and Manning) in the playoffs. Allowed 14 and 17 points. That Colts team we couldn't stop this year? That team is JV compared to that 03 Colts offense. That defense in 03 stopped a much better Colts team that had a legit running game (Edge), Harrison and Wayne in their prime and a good slot guy in Stokley. We beat that Colts team IN their own stadium and dominated them in our home turf.

So yeah, eventually those guys got old and slow, but in their prime, we rode them.

Can we say the same thing about this year's defense?

Satchboogie3

I hope BB is relentless with the ass-kicking this week. Everyone on this team needs a good can of whoop-ass, even Brady. I hope BB calls him Jamarcus Russell this week.

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Update: Well that didn't work out as I had planned. Next year baby, next year 19-0 we go. Next year.

Mack Herron

They only need to look at the film. But who will kick BB's *****?

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Patspsycho

No way BB kicks them while they're down. Thats exactly the wrong thing to do. He'll tell them just get back to basics, do your job, that's it. Move on. Focus on the next game and just execute.