mcmurtry86

Well except when Mathis was abusing Kaczur at the end of the Colts game leading to the Pats 2nd half collapse

It's been a lot better than it was tonight, but it was hardly "very good" or even "good" vs. Denver or the 2nd half vs. Indy and they haven't played a strong passing team outside of those 3 games. The secondary isn't bad, but I don't think it can hang with a good or great offense. Unfortunately to hoist the Lombardi the Pats will most likely need to beat Indy and either New Orleans or Minnesota. All 3 teams are capable of shredding the Pats secondary and 2 of them have already shown they can score at will against New England.

The Dynasty

The overall OL play in the Colts game was very good. Brady had plenty of time to find his WR's and didnt have to worry about moving around in the pocket.

The secondary did hang with a good/great offense just a few weeks ago vs the Colts. For 3 quarters they kept a dominant offensive in check. They showed that they are capable in stopping a powerful offense they just need to play a full game.

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Brady_12

I would have settled for 3 qrtrs tonight. We might have had a shot.

The Dynasty

Yeah, so would I. No one on the Pats came to play tonight, no one.

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patsfan-1982

on O they need to get the ball to moss at the start of the game and not a 60 yerd bomb but how about a screen to him

and stop throwing so many deep ball's when guy's are coverd brady keep's forceing the ball to much its only geting them INT's and lots of 3 and out's

they need to use the TE's more and the WR's not named moss and welker need to see the ball because good team's will find a way to stop welker and moss like the saints did tonight

and when maroney is haveing a good game keep giveing him the ball

on D will they need to stop puting AD to cover TE's and use him only as a pass rusher and ever down put him at OLB or DE and let him do just one thing get to the QB

they have DB's that can cover a TE.... AD is the only passrusher they have with some speed let him use it

the D line i think they need to play the 4-3 more cause they are geting blown off the ball

and where has mayo been its he's job to stuff all dose wide open hole's that the saints RB's where running through

but there is not much they can do on D not much talent on that side of the ball i think the vrabel and seymour trade is realy hurting them a lot

seymour was there best run stoper and best passrusher

and vrabel was not the same player he was but i still think he is better then burgess

goldspeed101

Maybe they just chalked this one up and were already looking towards next week

patsfan-1982

why whould you chalk up a win AT a 10-0 team to look at the 5-6 fish ?

they just got beat by a better team the pats are not a top team any more and the saints are thats it

patsinthesnow

Thats what happens when you pass on Barwin, Cushing, and Matthews.

Truth hurts, Bill

farn

Keep doing similar things. The shotgun has served us well - scoring has rarely been a problem. It didn't go well on Monday night, but it'll be back.

Owners fire coaches. But, in the end, players lose games. Players lost this one. They didn't play well. In some cases, they aren't as good as we thought.

Sure, coach Gruden talked about scheming a lot... but NO had the personnel to do what thye wanted.

I would say, let's get to the playoffs and see what happens. If it is nothing, then they are who we thought they were (thanks Green).

convertedpatsfan

I agree that the shotgun is overused. I know Brady is more comfortable out of it, but it's one thing to use it, it's another to rely on it. I'd like to see more balance with the packages, though I wouldn't go so far as to say almost all plays should be run from under center.

The OL was awful last night. Part of it was Light coming back, part of it was Kaczur sucking, but they were allowing consistent pressure on 3-man rushes. I even saw the back chip a few times with only 3 rushers and still they got near Brady. I like the idea of Vollmer replacing Kaczur, or Vollmer taking the LT spot and moving Light over to RT.

Offensive play-calling, I don't have a problem with the individual play-calls. But as Payton showed us last night, when you have a talented OC, you use plays to not only gain yards, but set up plays down the line. Throw the screen one way, then later on in the game, fake it, and throw it down the field. I haven't seen too many efforts from the Pats offense to take advantage of a defense based on previous plays. Like one person wrote last night, we're playing checkers, they're playing chess.

Wilhite needs to sit. Not much more to say about that.

And as for the defense, I understand the bend-but-don't-break philosophy, but it's not working. The red zone defense is atrocious. There's no pass rush, so 3rd downs are easily converted. And last night they started giving up the huge play as well. So basically, the things it should stop, it isn't stopping. So I think there are a lot of things we can talk about defensively, but the bottom line is I think pretty much any suggestion would be an improvement right now.