Peytonsbetter

So, you're saying that the Colt's have been the better team the last 2 years?

Peytonsbetter

Do you actually believe that any other team in the league would have won either of those games? Ummm......no.

The pats won because they were the better team, not because the Colt's choked. If you actually believe that the Colt's would have won if Manning hadn't choked, then you don't have much faith in the ability of your team.

AndyJohnson

Do you really think that its about who Campbells wants, and not about who would want to embarrass thensleves for a few bucks?

T-ShirtDynasty

Either of which games? I was only referring to one game, one very specific game. And no, I don't believe that any other team in the league would have won that day, but I'd guess one or two of them might be capable of eeking out a single touchdown.

Absolutely the Patriots won because they are the superior team, however the Dolts choke came not in the fact that they lost, but the fact that failed to show up to even play. Had Paymetons NOT choked, of course I still believe the superior Patriots would have won, but it wouldn't have been so damned embarrassing for the Dolts.

You're reaching there, small fry.

Peytonsbetter

Oh, so you're saying that the better team won, but the losing team STILL choked? Whatever.

Thats the homer way, I guess.

PATSNUTme

Nope. They were suppose to be the bettr team according to all of the national "experts". No one was suppose to stop that offensive machine.

Now tell me you didn't hear the same thing before both games.

AzPatsFan

And it could be that Cambells soup company's headquarters is just across the river from Philadelphia, in Camden. You can see the eagles stadium from their HQ...

T-ShirtDynasty

I keep trying to coach up my 14 year old in the ways of debate ('cause his mother kicks his ass when he gets into a argument) and I gotta keep reminding him that his favorite retort, "whatever." is akin to lying down, rolling over, and admiting you got nuthin'. You gotta shake that defeatest attitude, son.

Yes. The better team won, and the losing team choked. They're not mutually exclusive (link kindly provided for our Donks friends). What is so hard to understand about it?

You already admited that the Pats were the better team, so that's not even in question here. Taking that accepted fact into account we can then say hypothetically that if the score were 27-17, while the losing team did indeed lose to the better team, they at least put up a reasonable, and respectable fight. But losing 20-3 in a game where the all time touchdown king failed to find the endzone one single time, and went from an average (record setting) 112 QB rating to 63.9 is nothing short of a choke.

A choke for all of history.

A choke that still seems a bit lodged in your throat. Whatever, huh?

njpatsfan

Here's some facts about the "Picasso of Choke". From the definitive "Brady vs. Manning: Complete & Unabridged, Vol. II"

http://coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=261


"POSTSEASON PERFORMANCES
Brady’s superiority over Manning is built upon the stony, unyielding foundation of each player’s postseason performances. Quite simply, Manning, as we have long noted, is the Picasso of Choke Artists. Brady, meanwhile, has already proven to be one of the great clutch players in postseason history, a truly transcendent performer who reserves his greatest games for the biggest moments. He has the Super Bowl rings, Super Bowl records and Super Bowl MVP awards to prove it.

For all of Manning’s brilliant regular-season fireworks in recent years, he has simply failed to live up to expectations in the postseason – every single year that he’s been there. That’s right. Every year. Don’t believe us? Come, take a drive down Manning’s postseason memory lane. But roll up the windows and lock the doors. It’s an ugly neighborhood.

1999 – In Manning’s second year in the league he led the Colts to a 13-3 record and an AFC East title while averaging 26.4 PPG in the regular season. In Indy’s first playoff game the Colts hosted wildcard-game winner Tennessee. The Indy defense played well, surrendering just 19 points to a solid offense that averaged 24.5 points per game. But Manning, at home in the dome, put just 16 points on the board, the team’s third lowest output of the season, while completing just 19 of 43 passes for 227 yards and zero touchdowns. Manning’s 60.9 passer rating was his lowest of the entire season. Result: Manning chokes. Colts lose, 19-16.

2000 – The Colts went 10-6 behind Manning’s 33 touchdown passes and an offense that averaged 26.8 PPG in the regular season. Indy went to Miami in the wildcard round and its defense played very well, intercepting Jay Fiedler three times and surrendering just 23 points in a game decided in overtime. But Manning struggled against the Dolphins and, in a game that lasted more than 70 minutes, was a non-factor. He completed barely 50 percent of his passes (17 for 32) for just 194 yards and a touchdown. The Colts generated 11 points off Fiedler’s interceptions but put a total of just 17 on the board, 10 points fewer than their regular-season average. It was Indy’s second lowest scoring output of the season. Result: Manning chokes. Colts lose, 23-17, in overtime.

2002 – The Colts went 10-6 and drew a gimme in the wildcard round: a 9-7 Jets team with a paper-thin defense that surrendered 336 points that year (Indy boasted the better D, surrendering 313 points). Manning played the single worst statistical game of his entire career (14 for 31, 137 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs and a career-low 31.2 passer rating) and failed to put a single point on the board. Result: Manning chokes. Colts lose, 41-0.

2003 – The Colts went 12-4 in the regular season and scored 27.9 PPG. Manning kept it going in Indy’s first two playoff games and was spectacular leading 41-10 and 38-31 victories over Denver and Kansas City. But Manning, facing foul weather and a good defense, returned to his historic postseason form in the AFC title game against New England. Indy’s D again played well under postseason pressure, stifling the Patriots in the red zone and forcing them to settle for five field goals. But Manning tossed four interceptions and posted the third lowest passer rating of his entire career (35.5). Result: Manning chokes. Colts lose, 24-14.

2004 – The Colts again went 12-4 in the regular season, this time scoring 522 points (32.6 PPG) and entering the playoffs a seemingly unstoppable offensive juggernaut with the fifth-highest scoring offense in NFL history. Manning, of course, set numerous regular season records. Most notably, he tossed 49 touchdown passes while shattering the single-season passer rating record, with a mark of 121.1. It all took a familiar turn for the worse in the playoffs. In a divisional game at New England, the Colts mustered just 3 points – their lowest offensive output since the 2002 playoff loss to the Jets. Once again, Manning played his very worst game of the season in the playoffs, completing 27 of 42 passes for 238 yards with 0 TDs and 1 INT and a passer rating of 69.3, his lowest of the year. Result: Manning chokes. Colts lose, 20-3."

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shirtsleeve

Dont forget the Denver Broncos on January 14,2006, when they only managed to gain 63 yards on the ground and Plummer was picked 4 times en route to a Patriots 28-17 victory, which wasn't even as close as the score.