Mangini: Browns have "remarkable similarities" to Patriots Huh? - Page 3 - New England Patriots Forums

GrogansArmy · 11-09-2009, 10:25 PM

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"I don't think we won any popularity contests there," Mangini said, speaking about Bill Belichick's first year with the Patriots. "You can look at the clips. The other thing is that with the staff we had, the approach we had, we kept getting better, but it took a while. At one point in that second year, we were 1-3, but we didn't change the approach, and then we went on a streak."

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Mangini...Story of the Fat Ball Boy made good...on the coattails of another.

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The manwhore was secretly stealing all things Patriots so that someday Hollywood and the entire media would be ablaze with the rags to iches saga of the ball boy .... who would be king.

So if I am understanding correctly, he was a ball boy during Belichick's first year as Patriots head coach? He really makes it sound like he was quite the integral part of the team as a ball boy huh.

***reflexblue*** · 11-09-2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GrogansArmy

So if I am understanding correctly, he was a ball boy during Belichick's first year as Patriots head coach? He really makes it sound like he was quite the integral part of the team as a ball boy huh.

Yeah thats the point, he was a nobody trying to portait that he was a somebody. He must realize hes about to become a nobody ball boy again.

The problem for him is everyone in the position of making decisions knows he was a ball boy so he really looks like an idiot.

Synovia · 11-09-2009, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ice_Ice_Brady

It doesn't matter if you're extroverted or extroverted, whether you show or hide emotion.

Not sure thats true.

BB has said a couple of times that one of the hardest and most important things to do as a coach is to give your players instructions during games without showing disappointment or excitement; being able to relay clear instructions without distracting them with emotion.

Being able to keep an even keel allows you to get players to do their jobs after they've made mistakes.

PatsFanInVa · 11-10-2009, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GrogansArmy

Just curious and dont feel like looking it up, but what was Mangina's title back then?

Director of videotape archiving and advance scouting...

JUST KIDDING

***IcyPatriot*** · 11-10-2009, 12:38 AM

ProFootballWeekly.com - Mangini unlikely to survive Browns' disarray

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"Eric is an-ass," said one high-level NFL executive. "He is so different than (new Broncos head coach) Josh (McDaniels), knowing both of them. Eric is impressed with European general leadership books. It's great, but players are not a Roman army. No one is having any fun. Practice sucks. Part of the job of a coach is to keep players focused and motivated."

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One former Brown said, "Mangini is way in over his head."

RayClay · 11-10-2009, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by patchick

Haven't we all known somebody like this? The type who tries like mad to model himself on someone who's successful or popular, but mistakes style for substance?

One sign of this is taking the role model's surface characteristics and exaggerating them: "Aha, Bill plays things close to the vest, so I'll be downright secretive. Ooh, Bill got rid of high-priced veterans, so I'll jettison any player a casual fan has ever heard of! Look, Bill is a hard-ass so I'll be an actual jerk!!"

For a contrast, watch Josh McDaniels. His personal demeanor and his relationship to his players seems very different from Belichick's, but his approach to building a football team is much more similar. He understands which parts are important and which are just BB's personal quirks.

Very good insight. McDaniels has a ton of self confidence, which is what matters.

BB himself had problems at Cleveland because, admittedly, he tried to act like a hardass to mirror his mentor Parcells. Obviously, BB is plenty tough, but his personality couldn't be different from the confrontational, sarcastic Parcells.

With the pats, he has worked hard to get the fans and owners support so he could make the occasional tough decision without having to explain why, since explaining is not his favorite thing.

Oh, and Mangini is just a ratfink, may he suffer his just desserts.

***nashvillepatsfan*** · 11-10-2009, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Leave No Doubt

As for his opinions on the Pats? I'll go with this

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Eric is an ass," said one high-level NFL executive.

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Now thats classic

BradyBranch39 · 11-10-2009, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Leave No Doubt

This says it all about Mangini and his opinions: ProFootballWeekly.com - Mangini unlikely to survive Browns' disarray

As for his opinions on the Pats? I'll go with this:

this is great! props for finding it.

RayClay · 11-10-2009, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by GrogansArmy

So if I am understanding correctly, he was a ball boy during Belichick's first year as Patriots head coach? He really makes it sound like he was quite the integral part of the team as a ball boy huh.

Are you serious? He was a defensive backs coach early in BB's Patriots HC career and had a few coaching positions with the Ravens and Jets.

He actually had a pretty good resume for a young guy which probably helped him get his first job.

He was a ball boy, gopher and intern with the Browns when BB was coach there. Most likely, he got a view of the infamous BB, Parcells towel slapping incident, which Ken Walters taped and used as blackmail to collect an NFL punters salary for a view years. This was probably the leverage he used to get those Patriots and Jets positions.

***MoLewisrocks*** · 11-10-2009, 07:09 AM

He was actually never a defensive assistant in Cleveland. He went from ball boy to PR intern if you can imagine...and then offensive assistant (which is basically a gopher and not a position coach). From there he went to Baltimore for one season along with the rest of the crew when BB was fired. When Bill rejoined Parcell's as assistant HC and defensive backs coach in NY he hired Eric as a defensive assistant which is again a glorified gopher. His job eventually included quality control duties breaking down scouting film for the master.

I knew Eric had severe ego issues when I read comments he made after landing the JETS job where he referred to his own time in NY as a member of the core group that composed Tuna's boys along with Bill and Al and Scott... Delusions of grandeur. I guarantee you Parcell's didn't even know who the fatboy toiling in Bill's office was. Any more than BB knew who Matt Walsh was. Thing is Eric's sold his embellished version of his life story twice now to owners looking to strike it rich off Belichick's coat tails.

As for the remarkable similarities to NE, there aren't any. Idiot owner hires recently fired total stranger based on sales pitch, no franchise QB or franchise QB in waiting drafted and on the roster, no core base support from guys he helped draft and/or develop as BB had dating back to 1996 in his brief SB season stint in NE as Tuna's asst. HC and defacto DC, no rings as a coordinator, no defensive game plans in the HOF, no relationship left with his own mentor due to his utter lack of loyalty, allowed to hire a former friend he's never worked with professionally as anything other than glorified gophers in Cleveland and Baltimore to be his GM - which necessitated a contract that stipulated the other guy had final decisionmaking control, unable to get along him he marginalizes and makes him miserable and then gets him fired.

Bill has always been willing to share the credit and deflect or absorb the blame. Eric cannot share credit and will not take responsibility for failure. Bill surrounds himself with bright young and savvy old minds that challenge him, Eric surrounds himself with yes men who keep their mouths shut and do what they're told and babysitters with delusions of grandeur to match his. They are polar opposites. Their only similarity was in running a 3-4 defense, and Bill is actually moving away from that as we speak...LOL