Pats726

defensive players with big mouths complaining have no where near the vulnerability with ther knees. NO WHERE!!! Let Ray ray and other big mouth players play QB and see what QBs have to face. My guess is that big mouths would understand WHY there are certain rules needed for QBs as they are more open to injury and have a larger impact on a team.
I don't think the Ravens HAVE had a situation with a QB injured and gone..so Ray ray is talking through a non experience. Maybe if Flacco got injured on a questionable play would his mantra change..don't know that.
BTW, local hole Felger agrees totally with Ray ray...not surprised at all.

BradyManny

Sure, when you put it that way - I can see your point. But again, I just think these defensive players are so biased in this argument, that their opinion just shouldn't be taken at all (and again, they oughta just be playing by the rules that have been established). I'm damn sure I've complained about RTP on Wilfork or AD in the past, but I would be disappointed if those guys went off on a rant about the league b/c of those calls.

Ghost of Ben Dreith

There are a lot of solid comments in this thread on protecting player's knees:

1. OL can't go high/low on a DL man

2. Can't block at the knees on KR/PR

3. No crackback blocks

4. QB's get fined for going at the knees of a Defensive player too..(Sanchez with the personal foul against NO on the 99yd int. return)


To sum it up, it just seems that this was a long time coming in the need to protect QB's. Lewis is being a little beotch just because the Pats stiffed the Ravens again. This should be such a non-story....or if it was a story should have been titled......."QB's Get Same Protection as Other Players".

signbabybrady

I would perfer no one ****** and moan but to say that the defense cant only the offense can is kind of foolish.

As I said twice in that post knees should definitely be protected but some of the other ones could use a little descretion. Do you think A.D. should have been called for one vs the Bills?

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TruthSeeker

If you make these statements right after losing a game in which you frankly state that there were questionable calls, it's called whining and sour grapes.

If you want to address the level of physicality allowed in the NFL and how it is enforced, you have to discuss it outside of the context of the last game which was a tough loss. In the context it was discussed, Ray Lewis' comments are meaningless.

Another possibility is to discuss this issue when it is your side that is the beneficiary of these calls and complain about how you got an unfair advantage because of the way the rules are enforced. Hey, when was the last time that happened?

patsfaninpittsburgh

sign

I really think this is a three topic discussion

Ray Ray is a whiner and needs to do Kotex commercials.

Should officials call approved rules.

Are the rules correct?

My guess most would think it's a little too restrictive.

Synovia

I think the whistle should have been blown before AD started his takedown. That was as clear a "in the grasp" play as I've ever seen. As the play ran though, yeah, he should have been called. He lifted the QB off the ground. The rule says thats a penalty.

mayoclinic

Exactly right on both counts. Even though AD cradled the QB and didn't body slam him, it was a dumb play. But the play should have been blown dead. If the refs really want to protect the QB they would have blown the play dead. The problem is, the NFL wants to protect the QB but still allow for Rothlisberger-type miracle completions when he is in the grasp.

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olschool

The main problem is, we all get to see the play in super slo-mo from many angles, after the fact, while the official has to make a snap decision from his single point of view. Officials often consult with each other, and sometimes pick up the flag. Every added or tweaked up rule just makes their job harder.
That's why the NFL is so reluctant to keep changing rules.

Rules will always be argued about, no matter what they are. It just depends on whether your team is on the receiving end or not, as to whether it's a good call.
I don't remember any Patriots fans complaining about the tuck rule, even if it is a lame rule. And years later, the rule is still there, so someone must think it's a good idea.

In the end, the game has become more violent than ever imagined,because the players are bigger than ever imagined.Too many players are being lost to injury, and the league is going to change it, whether we, or the players, like it or not.

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spacecrime

You can't have it both ways. Either you think a QB's knees should be protected or you think they shouldn't. If you do, then a penalty for diving at a QB's knees, as SUggs did, is appropriate. The fact that Brady hopped sp he wasn't caught with his cleats in the turf is irrelevant. If Brady had lost an ACL you would be crying a different tune. You can't only call penalties when the dive results in a season-ending injury because that isn't protecting the QB at all. The defender dives at the knees, 15 yards. Simple as that.

The problem with Lewis and Harrison is they keep saying a QB should man up and take hits like they do.

When Ray Lewis says I will stand here with my arms up in the air and look the other way when an OG runs at me full speed and hits me in the back a few times (which is legal on a QB) and gets up and does it a few more times and says he will do it every week, then I will respect his opinion. Until then he is merely a coward wanting to hit players who are not in a position to defend themselves.

QBs take horrific legal hits, worse than anyone on the field. All the NFL is doing is protecting their heads and knees.

It is like PI. Don't arm bar a guy unless you expect a flag. Well, don't dive for a QB's knees or hit his head unless you expect to get a flag.

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