Brady's first two weeks vs. Manning's first two weeks (2008) - New England Patriots Forums

Disco Volante · 09-26-2009, 08:11 PM

I know the majority of us are sane and realize Brady is just dealing with some rust, but for those who need to be further convinced.

In 2008 Brady was injured in the first game of the season requiring major knee surgery and missing the rest of the season. In 2008, Manning had surgery to remove an infected bursa sac in his left knee and ended up sitting out of all four pre-season games while also missing most of training camp.

Here's how they both fared after two weeks of play.

2008: Manning
1-1 Record

56/91 (61.5%)
568 Yards (6.2 Average)
2 TDs / 2 INTs

2009: Brady
1-1 Record

62/100 (62.0%)
594 Yards (5.9 Average)
2 TDs / 2 INTs

The Colts ended up going 3-4 through 8 weeks, coming off a two game losing streak and were looking to be in some trouble. Then, in the first week of November Manning puts up a 121.9 QB rating, defeats the Pats and proceeds to run the table for the rest of the regular season while winning NFL MVP. After throwing 9 interceptions in the first 7 games Manning threw only 4 during the final 9 games.

Patience.

RoughingthePasser · 09-26-2009, 08:15 PM

Apples to Oranges

Who cares? Fantasy foootball players?

C'mon...stats are lame...gimme wins

Mogamedogz · 09-26-2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RoughingthePasser

Apples to Oranges

Who cares? Fantasy foootball players?

C'mon...stats are lame...gimme wins

I think you're sort of missing the point he's trying to make here.

SyN65 · 09-26-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bigfandan

L.A.M.E.
Manning had a very weak offense line with 3 new starters, and a new receiver to break in Gonzo.
Don't assume anything, like Brady will have a special year after pooping all over the field for 2 two games.
Manning did something that is very rare.

QFT.

What Manning did was very impressive.

fourthandmiles · 09-26-2009, 08:36 PM

It is funny to hear. I was under the impression that many people thought Manning was undeserving of the MVP? Or is it that his accomplishments were impressive, just not MVP worthy?

**Ian** · 09-26-2009, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bigfandan

L.A.M.E.
Manning had a very weak offense line with 3 new starters, and a new receiver to break in Gonzo.
As much as I want Brady to succeed. Don't assume anything, like Brady will have a special year after pretty much pooping in first two games.
What Manning did in 2008 that is very rare.
I won't count Brady going on to be the MVP this year. Just want him to play steady.

I think again - like RoughingthePasser you're missing the point of the original post. I think you need to look at it a little more objectively and also realize that the two teams they've played up to this point are much improved from previous years and are no longer going to be wins you can just pencil in.

Brady is coming off of a severe knee injury, and it's going to take some time for him to get his feet back under him and get his confidence back. He's openly admitted that his mechanics aren't where they need to be yet, and it's pretty clear that thus far his accuracy still needs work. From your statements it sounds like you're ready to write off the season and watch them go 4-12. Do you seriously want to go that route? Or would you rather watch him slowly get better each week and watch this team start playing their better football toward the end of the season and have momentum should they make the playoffs?

Less emotion and more thought - and try to be a little more objective. Unless you want to drive yourself - and the rest of the people in here - crazy this season

**Ian** · 09-26-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by fourthandmiles

It is funny to hear. I was under the impression that many people thought Manning was undeserving of the MVP? Or is it that his accomplishments were impressive, just not MVP worthy?

Unless you're like me and you just can't stand him - so I guess that would be my reason.

**Ian** · 09-26-2009, 08:42 PM

Great post BTW Disco Volante - thanks for pulling those numbers and pointing this out.

spacecrime · 09-26-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by fourthandmiles

It is funny to hear. I was under the impression that many people thought Manning was undeserving of the MVP? Or is it that his accomplishments were impressive, just not MVP worthy?

It sounds like you are under a lot of impressions of what other people think.

But looking at the OP's original message again, I didn't see any of all that Manning worthy/not worthy stuff that you are under the impression that other people think. The message was about Brady, not Manning, and my guess is that most people, like me, do not remember who the NFL MVP was last year.

Me, I think the OP had a great post and had some significant data to show that Brady is doing as well as can be expected. I'm not sure why no one can understand his post, or the point he is making.

**Ian** · 09-26-2009, 09:14 PM

Exactly. They lost by a touchdown last week - they didn't get blown out. The defense played about as well as they could have and the offense was just out of sync and couldn't get anything going due to the penalties. My favorite part last week was early in the game I think it was when they were knocking at the door and ended up facing a 3rd and 30. You can't do that on the road and expect to win.

They beat themselves last week and it was still a close game. I think a lot of people are losing a bit too much perspective without really taking an analytical look at things.