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reflexblue

First it sounds like more than just a football related injury, it sounds like it could be congenital, and playing football worsened it.


"Its not about the money" of course how could anyone be so silly to think it was.

"David is not the happy guy i used to know" well he can get a knee replacement.

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ctpatsfan77

Obviously, I'm not a professional football player, so I can only imagine just how much football truly means to Givens. So to suddenly have that taken away from you, perhaps through no real fault of your own, could be truly devastating.

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reflexblue

I'm sure it is to Givens, its his agent that i quoted. Years ago i hurt my thumb were i was working i couldn't use my right hand for a while, it was a congenital defect in the baselor joint. I like being able to use my hand like givens likes playing football. But it wasn't the companies fault that it happened, it was pre-existing. My job at the time hastened the onset of the problem.

"it was ultimately determined that the previously-known lesion and defect in his knee had crumbled."

If this is the case his knee would have crumbled eventually, football just speed up the process.

I think Givens does have a case because he was NO LONGER Able to play.

My problem is more with Givens agent and the dramatics.

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Gwedd

If the Titans failed to inform Givens about the injury or defect, then yes, he has a very strong case against them, the statute of limitations notwithstanding.

ctpatsfan77

IANAL, but I think that in a case where one party has deceived another, the clock starts when that deception is discovered, not from the date of the original exam.

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MoLewisrocks

Sounds like these findings were part of his pre contract physical. Might explain why there were never any other serious takers in his UFA season (his hometown Houston team lowballed him). It appeared at the time that Tennessee overpaid for a guy who wasn't generating the expected level of interest on the FA market. Many people have since pointed to the loss of Givens in 2005 and Branch in 2006 because the team wouldn't simply pay them as one of the reasons we failed to threepeat or fourpeat as expected... Thing is teams usually know more about players and situations than fans do. Few players come in to the league let alone remain there without both players and organizations balancing concerns, often times revolving around potential durability issues. Neither Givens nor Branch has played a full season or a meaningful role for an NFL team since the day they left.

I feel bad for David. He always seemed like a good kid and we didn't really make any effort to retain him. At the time many assumed it was just because with Branch already chomping at the bit for a new deal we couldn't or wouldn't because of how that would have raised the bar - and we were cheaping out. Perhaps all along our remarkably fallable HC was simply playing out the string with two guys he believed would never provide value with big second deals because despite some talent they had substantial potential medical/durability issues looming.

spacecrime

Givens said had he known about the defect, he would have had it repaired before playing football. Whatever the results might have been, the Titans were wrong in withholding this information. Perhaps had Givens had the operation, the knee would not have been adequate for football, but by not telling him, the Titans let him continue on a course pretty much guaranteed to destroy his knee.

He should have been told beforehand. It is possible that the Titans will be not LEGALLY responsible, but I cannot see how their actions are acceptible in any way from a human or moral standpoint.

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spacecrime

This isn't right. We made Givens a huge offer, but the Titans offered more. If the archives are available, go check. Givens took the larger offer because he'd been playing for 7th round money and wanted a payday. But we offered decent, competitive money, over $20 mil IIRC.

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“When we look at the board, based on everything we want in a football player at that particular time, we evaluate them and take the player that fits best for our football team. That’s what we always do, and I think the last nine years we’ve put a pretty competitive team out there on the field every year. I think that’s how you do it – you get good football players. Sometimes they are not always at the No. 1 position, but I don’t think you pass up good football players to get the guys who aren’t as good just because they’re at a position that somebody feels you need.”
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ctpatsfan77

POTD.

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