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Old 09-21-2009, 09:42 AM   #1
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Let's get this straight: Brady rocks. I trust he will do what he can to right the ship.

Our offense stunk, but we all know that Brady does this at least once a year: for whatever reason he chooses a single game to play like crap in, does nothing right, and then comes back the next week to be Tom Terrific. Every year. I can't explain it, but he does it.. it's like clockwork. Hopefully he's laid his traditional yearly egg and it's all up from here.

While last night's problems were clearly mainly on the back of the offense, our defense managed to once again illustrate its biggest problem, and the Jets defense was able to show THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE.

Our defense is way, way too conservative. Worse, it's irrationally conservative, because when we're conservative we tend to fail. We can't do conservative well, yet we stick to it.

I'm talking about the "3rd-and-13 disease" that our defense has.

Whenever it's 3rd and 15 or 3rd and 20, the opposition makes the play. I now consider "3rd and long" to be automatic for opposing offenses.

It's the same every time: our defense drops back and our corners dance around a bit. We decide NOT to blitz (because we can't), and then our opponents make the simple throw and our DBs look like tards.

Seemingly every time. Every game. Season after season.

It's emblematic of a much larger problem -- a complete lack of aggression defensively. We're like a bunch of kittens out there. I watch the raiders play defense, and while they're technically poor, they are aggressive and have been incredibly effective so far. Ditto the Jets.

We need to get a LOT more aggressive on defense. We need to be able to blitz heavily, we need to apply pressure, we need to hit more, fight more. Rodney Harrison knew best how to play defense: full force.

As long as we keep play calling and prancing around like kittens, we're never going to get any meaningful pressure on other quarterbacks, and in a pass-happy league they will continue to pick apart our DBs.... and every time it's 3rd and 16, I'll once again say out loud to my wife "here comes their first down!"

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Old 09-21-2009, 09:53 AM   #2
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I blame the offensive ineptitude on two words, "Kevin O'Connel" the jets traded for him for a reason, and it aint because he's a good prospect.
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I blame the offensive ineptitude on two words, "Darrelle Revis" the jets traded for him for a reason, and it's because he is one of the best corners in the league.
yeah i agree with that.
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Two games the Patriots have played so far one against a sub par qb the other a rookie. The Patriots don't have one interception to show fot it. The reason is lack of pressure. Yesterday sanchez had plenty of time to throw and was quite comfy back there in the pocket. All I saw was 4 rushers most of the time.

Like I posted last night I haven't seen an aggressive Patriots defense since Romeo was the DC.

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While last night's problems were clearly mainly on the back of the offense, our defense managed to once again illustrate its biggest problem, and the Jets defense was able to show THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE.

Our defense is way, way too conservative. Worse, it's irrationally conservative, because when we're conservative we tend to fail. We can't do conservative well, yet we stick to it.

I'm talking about the "3rd-and-13 disease" that our defense has.

Whenever it's 3rd and 15 or 3rd and 20, the opposition makes the play. I now consider "3rd and long" to be automatic for opposing offenses.

It's the same every time: our defense drops back and our corners dance around a bit. We decide NOT to blitz (because we can't), and then our opponents make the simple throw and our DBs look like tards.

Seemingly every time. Every game. Season after season.

It's emblematic of a much larger problem -- a complete lack of aggression defensively. We're like a bunch of kittens out there. I watch the raiders play defense, and while they're technically poor, they are aggressive and have been incredibly effective so far. Ditto the Jets.

We need to get a LOT more aggressive on defense. We need to be able to blitz heavily, we need to apply pressure, we need to hit more, fight more. Rodney Harrison knew best how to play defense: full force.

As long as we keep play calling and prancing around like kittens, we're never going to get any meaningful pressure on other quarterbacks, and in a pass-happy league they will continue to pick apart our DBs.... and every time it's 3rd and 16, I'll once again say out loud to my wife "here comes their first down!"
While I too felt a huge letdown when Leon Washington got 13 yards on 3rd & 12, and immediately thought of last year, that play was a one-time thing yesterday. I just went back through the play-by-play of yesterday's game and guess what I added up?

The Jets were 3-11 on 3rd down.

Three for eleven.

I'll take that every week for the rest of the year, thank you. And while we're at it I'll take holding the opposing QB to 137 yards passing, and the opponent to 254 total yards too.

There was no problem with the Pats defense in general yesterday, nor was there a problem with the Pats third-down defense. Maybe we're just so used to seeing big sacks on post-game highlights that we've come to expect to see those plays every time the other team has the ball.
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While I too felt a huge letdown when Leon Washington got 13 yards on 3rd & 12, and immediately thought of last year, that play was a one-time thing yesterday. I just went back through the play-by-play of yesterday's game and guess what I added up?

The Jets were 3-11 on 3rd down.

Three for eleven.

I'll take that every week for the rest of the year, thank you. And while we're at it I'll take holding the opposing QB to 137 yards passing, and the opponent to 254 total yards too.

There was no problem with the Pats defense in general yesterday, nor was there a problem with the Pats third-down defense. Maybe we're just so used to seeing big sacks on post-game highlights that we've come to expect to see those plays every time the other team has the ball.
After the first series, the Jets O laid down until the 3rd qtr. The Jets were losing the field position game and saw Sanchez was rattled early. They stuck to the ground for the rest of the half, relying on their D to reverse the momentum. Sure, the D stopped the run, but that is all the had to worry about for 25 minutes in the first half. Sanchez went back to pass 6 times in the first half.
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Every year it seems, some people a whining about the defense at the beginning of the year. This year the defense is transitioning from old players to younger players. Historically, Bellichick's defense start to gel in the second half of the year. By November and December this defense will be fine. 3 for 11 on third down for the Jets. 16 points. That's usually enough to win most times. Problem is not the defense right now, it's with the offense.

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I blame the offensive ineptitude on two words, "Kevin O'Connel" the jets traded for him for a reason, and it aint because he's a good prospect.
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Two games the Patriots have played so far one against a sub par qb the other a rookie. The Patriots don't have one interception to show fot it. The reason is lack of pressure. Yesterday sanchez had plenty of time to throw and was quite comfy back there in the pocket. All I saw was 4 rushers most of the time.

Like I posted last night I haven't seen an aggressive Patriots defense since Romeo was the DC.
They have allot of new pieces back there. As soon as they get up to speed things will ramp up. We gave up 16 pts. It's not like the offense helped them out.
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