Deus Irae

Well, you know, my concern for this season has earned me the contrarian label, since I'm not overdosing on the Koolaid for this trade. So, I figured that I might as well just go nuts and double down.

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Patriot_in_NY

1) so do season's 2012-2022, which I still plan on being a Patriot fan and I'd prefer to be one on teams that resemble the 2000's and not the 1990's

2) Yeah, but only 1 here.

3) Given....... Lets revisit this thread in 2011 and see who's right. Deal?

4) Your willing to bet that Seymour's 2009 impact is greater then player x's impact for the 5-10 years that player will be here.

Let me refresh BB's 1st round history

2008 - Mayo (10th)
2007 - Merriweather (24th)
2006 - Maroney (21st)
2005 - Mankins (31st)
2004 - Wilfork (21st), Watson (32nd)
2003 - Ty Warren (13th)
2002 - Dan Graham (21st)
2001 - Seymour (6th)

Now go ahead and tell us again (with the straight face - Not just Deus..... Anyone actually) that Seymour's 2009 production will MATCH the CAREER HISTORY'S of anyone of the players on that list. Again 1 29 y/o Seymour year vs. the Career impacts of any of those above for the patriots, particularly the ones in red (top-15 picks, which the Raiders pick project's to be).

Even if we GIVE you Maroney , that's still 89% success. Pretty Dam good odds.

shmessy

That's some pretty definitive factual stuff there, PiNY. Objective versus Subjective analysis is powerful.

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Deus Irae

Ok, I'm getting tired of this argument. It's so ridiculously stupid that I assumed people would smarten up and grow out of it. This team just used 12 draft picks and most of those players made the team. Next season, the team has a first round pick and 3 second round picks. In 2011, the team still had a first and a second. Not having this 1st was not going to somehow cause this team to collapse. It's one draft pick 2 years down the road, which means that the player won't be hitting his stride, even if he's great, for 3-5 years.

Actually, under the Current CBA, the Patriots could have controlled Seymour for at least another 3 seasons.

Why? You don't rate a trade for a draft pick on the fortunes of the future. For example, are you now saying that the Patriots will have completely screwed the pooch if the pick isn't until the 20's in that draft?

Now you're putting words in my mouth, and in a ridiculous manner. What's worse is that you have to know I'm not saying what you're claiming I am.

By the way, what player on that list has been better than Seymour?

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Deus Irae

Wow...... you've really just completely sold out.....

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shmessy

Really??? 2 out of the 3 top 15 picks we've had this decade say hi. (I'll agree re: Warren, who may not have hit stride until year 3).

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mgteich

You seem to have no concept of discounted value. Why not trade Seymour for a 2013 1st?
The reality is that each year a draft choice is dimished by one round.
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It is VERY LIKELY that Belichick would have been able to move on of our 2010 seconds forward to a 2011 first. How many firsts do you think Belichick wants each year. Sure, Belichick will do well with the pick. But that pick may be no different than the two 2009 3rds Belichick traded into 2010 2nds, one of which might have been traded into a 2011 first.

In fact, apparently Belichick was offered a 2010 second, but wanted the 2011 first insteade, in essense doing the 2010 draft day trade ahead of time.

The bottom line is Seymour was dumped for the equivalent of a 2009 3rd round draft choice. Oh, and did I mention that we likely could have kept Seymour and gotten a 2011 3rd when he left.

Deus Irae

No, they don't. They weren't at their best in years 1-2. If you think they were, I don't know what to tell you.

Are you now taking the Koolaid via IV?

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shmessy

So David Thomas equals Jerod Mayo?

Oh, and by the way, we now have more cap room in 2009 - - the book ain't closed.

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Patriot_in_NY

Actually, if you read re-read my quote I had already added;

Because I realize your argument. I'm actually just trying to bring it to the abstract. Not to get into a pissing contest.

I don't think, looking realistically at what we got/gave is very equal. I tried pointing that out.

We weren't keeping Seymour after this season. ANYONE that looks objectively at that, completely understands that. Not a DE, that's on the wrong side of 30, that does have some recent injuries and whose production is CLEARLY off his early career.