Rumor: Seymour Trade Not A Done Deal? - New England Patriots Forums

thewaylifeshouldbe · 09-07-2009, 12:58 PM

Since it's Seymour all day, here is another "rumor".

Per Patriots Insider

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By Jon Scott
PatriotsInsider.com
Date: Sep 7, 2009

Rumors are dangerous things when people lend more credence to them than they deserve. A source has been telling PI that the deal sending Patriots DL Richard Seymour to Oakland isn't a sure thing. We just happen to give this rumor more credence because it's from the same source(s) who told us Pioli was headed to Kansas City two days before the announcement.

JD10367 · 09-07-2009, 01:01 PM

Well, if the other rumors are credible (i.e. Seymour is pissed and doesn't want to go to Oakland, Seymour is the guy Hobbs was referring to, etc.,.), it seems like both the Pats and Seymour have quickly burnt their bridges and this is irrepairable. So Seymour's going somewhere, I'd think.

thewaylifeshouldbe · 09-07-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JD10367

Well, if the other rumors are credible (i.e. Seymour is pissed and doesn't want to go to Oakland, Seymour is the guy Hobbs was referring to, etc.,.), it seems like both the Pats and Seymour have quickly burnt their bridges and this is irrepairable. So Seymour's going somewhere, I'd think.

This would make for an interesting situation if true. PI is touting this as there being a problem with the trade, not the issue of Seymour maybe not reporting.

***convertedpatsfan*** · 09-07-2009, 01:10 PM

I sure hope it goes through. Since Matt Millen got fired, we're not going to get a 1st rounder out of anyone else but Al Davis.

***BelichickFan*** · 09-07-2009, 01:14 PM

They're saying that Seymour could end up going to KC for their 2010 #2, without saying more about what is written there it sounds like the Patriots could probably fall back on that if they wanted and the assumption (by me) is it depends if they want to do that or push the Raider deal, presumably with the 5 day letter which would leave Seymour little choice but to report.

***MoLewisrocks*** · 09-07-2009, 01:15 PM

There can be no problem with the trade since it goes through the league and both teams have acknowledged it as a done deal. The problem likely results from uncertainty over his reporting. And maybe Oakland is leery of a deal they made for a guy who is demanding consideration for even showing up and that is being panned by the experts as a suckers move born of desperation. The five day letter insures Seymour will show up but Oakland may already be regretting the move if that's what it takes... They may be asking for a change of terms to a conditional pick now contingent on his showing up and suiting up. That was what happened in the Plummer debaucle. Pick went from a 4th to a 7th when he retired. Although in that case I believe it meant Tampa could persue him for return of signing bonus and held his rights should he unretire.

thewaylifeshouldbe · 09-07-2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks

There can be no problem with the trade since it goes through the league and both teams have acknowledged it as a done deal. The problem likely results from uncertainty over his reporting. And maybe Oakland is leery of a deal they made for a guy who is demanding consideration for even showing up and that is being panned by the experts as a suckers move born of desperation. The five day letter insures Seymour will show up but Oakland may already be regretting the move if that's what it takes... They may be asking for a change of terms to a conditional pick now contingent on his showing up and suiting up. That was what happened in the Plummer debaucle. Pick went from a 4th to a 7th when he retired. Although in that case I believe it meant Tampa could persue him for return of signing bonus and held his rights should he unretire.

I know the Patriots org. has confirmed it, but hasn't there yet to be an official statement from the Raiders saying so?

Probably there has been.....I just haven't heard of it yet.

***convertedpatsfan*** · 09-07-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks

There can be no problem with the trade since it goes through the league and both teams have acknowledged it as a done deal. The problem likely results from uncertainty over his reporting. And maybe Oakland is leery of a deal they made for a guy who is demanding consideration for even showing up and that is being panned by the experts as a suckers move born of desperation. The five day letter insures Seymour will show up but Oakland may already be regretting the move if that's what it takes... They may be asking for a change of terms to a conditional pick now contingent on his showing up and suiting up. That was what happened in the Plummer debaucle. Pick went from a 4th to a 7th when he retired. Although in that case I believe it meant Tampa could persue him for return of signing bonus and held his rights should he unretire.

Could they really ask for a change of terms even after it's gone through the league and been acknowledged by both teams, as you mentioned earlier?

I believe in the Plummer deal, they knew there was a strong probability the player wouldn't show up, so it was part of the original deal.

***BradyFTW!*** · 09-07-2009, 01:26 PM

Maybe he'll get sent to the Jets, and that will wrap the Kerry Rhodes 'surprise' thread up nicely :P

***Deus Irae*** · 09-07-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks

There can be no problem with the trade since it goes through the league and both teams have acknowledged it as a done deal. The problem likely results from uncertainty over his reporting. And maybe Oakland is leery of a deal they made for a guy who is demanding consideration for even showing up and that is being panned by the experts as a suckers move born of desperation. The five day letter insures Seymour will show up but Oakland may already be regretting the move if that's what it takes... They may be asking for a change of terms to a conditional pick now contingent on his showing up and suiting up. That was what happened in the Plummer debaucle. Pick went from a 4th to a 7th when he retired. Although in that case I believe it meant Tampa could persue him for return of signing bonus and held his rights should he unretire.

Unless the Raiders waived the requirement of Seymour passing his physical, this deal is not final. I do not know whether or not this happened. I'm merely pointing something out.