Could BB be thinking 1st Round QB in 2011? - Page 3 - New England Patriots Forums

RussFrancis · 09-06-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by IndianPat

There is no doubt in my mind that Pats will draft Tim Tebow next year.

I didnt even see this. Directly before my short paragraph about the guy. Love the thought, bro. Love the thought.

T-cat · 09-06-2009, 04:00 PM

No we got Hoyer i like him

***BradyFTW!*** · 09-06-2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks

No.
This was a way to get a first for Seymour. Wasn't gonna draw anything approaching that in 2010 because he's over 30 and in the last year of his deal. For any trading partner he was a one or two (at the franchise tag price...) year rental.

Wrong. Seymour's 29

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Richard is gone now because he never quite bought all in. And he was injured a lot and couldn't play well trough injuries. Brady consistently has. 85% of Brady is still better than top 5 at the position. 85% of Seymour might as well be on the sidelines. That's probably part of what Hobbs was illuding to. Hindsight is always 20/20 but Richard probably should have been traded after his TC holdout season. They instead took a compromise approach of sorts and gave him his money but only on a short term deal.

Wrong. 50% of Seymour (one leg) > Jarvis Green. Thats why, when Seymour came off the PUP in 2007, he played and Green sat, even though it was obvious to anyone with eyes that he was nowhere near 100%. If that's what Hobbs was alluding to, then Hobbs is an idiot- Seymour had one major injury, which he sustained while playing fullback. In his natural position, he's no more injury-prone than Wilfork or Warren, but once a misperception gets a head of steam around here, there's pretty much no killing it. Everyone just buys in and repeats it.

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This is just about turning over the defense. Seymour was never really a leader, though they tried just about everything to develop him into one.

Mayo, Wilfork, and Warren disagree.

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I doubt BB did this as a message, Oakland is always just there... But it will be some kind of experience for Seymour working with the Hotel staff and playing in the black hole in a contract season...

Well, at least you're right about something. We got a first round pick offered for a guy in the last year of his contract who we weren't going to be able to re-sign. Bill took the deal, sacrificing a great deal of 2009 production for greater long-term value. Nothing more, nothing less.

Bartmac36 · 09-06-2009, 04:16 PM

Man the Pats should package a deal and trade up for Bradford this year...as long as the injury isn't too serious...

***italia44*** · 09-06-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by IndianPat

There is no doubt in my mind that Pats will draft Tim Tebow next year.

WTF?..............I'll buy you season's tickets,if they do.

Shockt327 · 09-06-2009, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks

No.

He will develop Brady's backup as he did Cassel. He's not going to pay some top five draft pick $75M to learn to play within the system. Look what he got out of the 3rd round last season. Look at the former first rounders littering the benches and waiver wires of the NFL.

This was a way to get a first for Seymour. Wasn't gonna draw anything approaching that in 2010 because he's over 30 and in the last year of his deal. For any trading partner he was a one or two (at the franchise tag price...) year rental.

Richard is gone now because he never quite bought all in. And he was injured a lot and couldn't play well trough injuries. Brady consistently has. 85% of Brady is still better than top 5 at the position. 85% of Seymour might as well be on the sidelines. That's probably part of what Hobbs was illuding to. Hindsight is always 20/20 but Richard probably should have been traded after his TC holdout season. They instead took a compromise approach of sorts and gave him his money but only on a short term deal.

This is just about turning over the defense. Seymour was never really a leader, though they tried just about everything to develop him into one. Unfortunately his temperement and being raised by Lawyer kinda set a course that made that impossible. They got his best years on the field cheap, and paid a premium for a couple of lackluster seasons. All in all it was a fair deal for both sides, particularly since we get value for him down the road.

I doubt BB did this as a message, Oakland is always just there... But it will be some kind of experience for Seymour working with the Hotel staff and playing in the black hole in a contract season...

Do you have a source?

(other than your own wild imagination)

***slash83*** · 09-06-2009, 05:47 PM

I would not be surprised one bit if BB decides to package that 2011 pick for either somebody he really loves in next years draft or to a proven vet, maybe Peppers or even Ware I dunno...

GullyFoyle · 09-06-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeSixPat

Hear me out... it's just a gut reaction theory but could have some merit...

Belichick is in position to have the #1 pick in the 2011 draft - either outright from the Raiders or by packaging picks to move up.

With a new CBA there could also be an agreement to limit the outrageous salaries of the Top 5 picks (at least) and a salary slotting structure as well.

No doubt, none of expect Brady's skills to be waning 2 years from now... but it never hurts to have a future franchise QB learn the ropes from someone like Brady, sitting and learning a la Steve Young behind Joe Montana for a year or two... today's salary structure makes that near impossible but a CBA that limits rookie salaries could make that feasible.

So the QB sits and learns for two years... depending on how things shake out he's ready to start in 2013 when Brady is 36.

That's an age when a QB's talents could be waning... or BB could determine it's the optimum time to trade Brady himself for a #1 pick etc...

I'm not saying this is what Belichick is thinking today, but he's set himself up nicely to have the draft position to take a franchise player, and whether its 4 years from now or 6 we WILL need another franchise QB.

Just a theory.

Theories are like balloon knots.....

JoeSixPat · 09-06-2009, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks

No.

He will develop Brady's backup as he did Cassel. He's not going to pay some top five draft pick $75M to learn to play within the system.

Look around the league.

How many Franchise QBs were taken in the 6th round and developed by their team?

How many Franchise QBs were taken in the 1st round?

I don't think anyone on this board can rule out the fact that Belichick would look at those same stats and recognize that he might not strike gold in the 6th round again.

Heck... it wouldn't surprise me if Belichick struck out with a 3rd round QB let alone a 6th round QB... don't laugh... I have it on good authority that it could happen.

I also wouldn't assume that the Rookie Salaries are going to be as out of hand in the next CBA as they are now.

I'm not saying I KNOW that BB plans on taking a QB in 2011... I'm just saying I don't see how anyone could say they KNOW HE WON'T - especially when Belichick just cut a QB he drafted in the 3rd round, obviously in the hopes of developing him into a starting QB.

***MoLewisrocks*** · 09-06-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BradyFTW!

Wrong. Seymour's 29

And will turn 30 during this season. He will be over 30 when he signs his next deal. They weren't going to tag and trade him or extend him. There is a reason for that...

Wrong. 50% of Seymour (one leg) > Jarvis Green. Thats why, when Seymour came off the PUP in 2007, he played and Green sat, even though it was obvious to anyone with eyes that he was nowhere near 100%. If that's what Hobbs was alluding to, then Hobbs is an idiot- Seymour had one major injury, which he sustained while playing fullback. In his natural position, he's no more injury-prone than Wilfork or Warren, but once a misperception gets a head of steam around here, there's pretty much no killing it. Everyone just buys in and repeats it.

Green was injured when Seymour came back. We were still undefeated at the time...

Mayo, Wilfork, and Warren disagree.

Read Mayo's quote again. And remember, they all missed Lawyer. He was a leader too, only BB decided after 2002 he wasn't leading this defense the way/in the direction the organization needed it led.

Well, at least you're right about something. We got a first round pick offered for a guy in the last year of his contract who we weren't going to be able to re-sign. Bill took the deal, sacrificing a great deal of 2009 production for greater long-term value. Nothing more, nothing less.

We can sign anyone we want to. It's just a matter of assessing the cost/price. And not just in $$$. We weren't going to sign him because he's not worth top tier $$$ to this franchise any longer, and that had to do with his play as well as his leadership. We only pay the big bucks to guys who are all in and present the whole package. Even at his best Richard's value was limited to his talent on the field. Unlike Brady who is as valuable to the organization off the field as he is to the team on the field.

Belichick is an old school coach who values players he could count on week in and week out. Talent doesn't matter if it can't get or stay on the field. Richard was one of those players who could not play well through injuries. Some can, some can't. And to some extent they are all injured starting week 1.

Rodney, Tedy, Vrabes, even Willie were the leaders on this defense. Richard was a mega talent when healthy but he didn't provide sufficient value on or off the field after his holdout. Otherwise he'd still be here.