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Re: Jerod Mayo far and away voted as the most indispensable player behind Brady
Top 5.
Brady- No Cassel to back him up. With what we have at backup QB, 9-7 or 8-8
Mayo- His speed and playmaking ability cannot be made up anywhere on the roster
Neal - Running game improved and sacks went down when he came back in 08. Look at Sb 42. Line was porous w/o him.
Faulk-See Neal
A. Thomas- Respected pass-rush threat. Knows the defense.
My .02$
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Re: Jerod Mayo far and away voted as the most indispensable player behind Brady
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Originally Posted by PATRIOTSFANINPA
I really hope we can see at least a little of it,I am not expecting 15 sacks like a Merrimen or Porter would bring,but half of that total would be nice in his 2nd season - If Mayo could get 6 or 7 sacks I would be happy.
Comparing a versatile ILB's sack totals, in any respect, to a pass-rushing specialist OLB is misguided. I'd be pretty surprised if he gets more than 5, simply because he'll have far, far fewer opportunities than a standard pass rusher. ILBs are the guys who keep you honest because you know that they can rush the passer if you don't account for that, but they don't actually do it very often.
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Re: Jerod Mayo far and away voted as the most indispensable player behind Brady
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I really hope we can see at least a little of it,I am not expecting 15 sacks like a Merrimen or Porter would bring,but half of that total would be nice in his 2nd season - If Mayo could get 6 or 7 sacks I would be happy.
ILB are not known for high sack numbers. Don't start judging him on numbers.
But even if you do, he has 1 sack in two preseason games only playing the early fraction of the game. That's eight sacks over sixteen games, even if he never played a second half all year.
Re: Jerod Mayo far and away voted as the most indispensable player behind Brady
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I love Mayo but . . . it's MOSS.
Agreed. While Brady and the offense has won 3 SBs w/ lesser receivers, Moss is just so key to their success now.
Mayo would be a huge loss, and I don't even want to think about losing him, but I feel like AD's versatility, Guyton's emergence, and Bruschi's ability to provide average play at either ILB position would help overcome a loss of Mayo.
Losing Brady, Seymour, Moss, Wilfork, those would all be potentially catastrophic events that would require one player - like Cassel did last year - to step up in a huge way, beyond expectations.
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Agreed. While Brady and the offense has won 3 SBs w/ lesser receivers, Moss is just so key to their success now.
Mayo would be a huge loss, and I don't even want to think about losing him, but I feel like AD's versatility, Guyton's emergence, and Bruschi's ability to provide average play at either ILB position would help overcome a loss of Mayo.
Losing Brady, Seymour, Moss, Wilfork, those would all be potentially catastrophic events that would require one player - like Cassel did last year - to step up in a huge way, beyond expectations.
This is such a hard agrument. Moss is incredibly important to this team no question. Last year, IMO Moss and Welker MADE Cassel. But if Moss goes down, you don't think they would find a way with Brady, Welker, Galloway, Lewis, Endleman, the TEs and the RBs to get 22-25 ppg?
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Re: Jerod Mayo far and away voted as the most indispensable player behind Brady
Hey I can see the arguements for Mayo and Moss. I was surprised that not so many people voted O-Line. I know people complain about Light but if he was lost for a season I would be very scared. Other people in this thread stated Neal has a bigger impact, I am not sure but if you say so I would vote Neal over Moss or anytone on defense
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Hey I can see the arguements for Mayo and Moss. I was surprised that not so many people voted O-Line. I know people complain about Light but if he was lost for a season I would be very scared. Other people in this thread stated Neal has a bigger impact, I am not sure but if you say so I would vote Neal over Moss or anytone on defense
Good point. We don't know what kind of quality depth we have a backup LT. Slide Kazur over and plug in O'Callaghan at RT. That sure doesn't inspire a lof confidence in me.
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Originally Posted by BradyManny2344
Agreed. While Brady and the offense has won 3 SBs w/ lesser receivers, Moss is just so key to their success now.
Mayo would be a huge loss, and I don't even want to think about losing him, but I feel like AD's versatility, Guyton's emergence, and Bruschi's ability to provide average play at either ILB position would help overcome a loss of Mayo.
Losing Brady, Seymour, Moss, Wilfork, those would all be potentially catastrophic events that would require one player - like Cassel did last year - to step up in a huge way, beyond expectations.
Mostly agree, although I'd swamp Mayo and Wilfork for your list. The problem with losing a guy like Mayo is that it either forces Bruschi to step into a starting role or forces Adalius inside, and I'd rather not see either happen. In the former case, you're taking away what little depth you have, and in the latter you're downgrading the WOLB as well.
With Wilfork, on the other hand, you're probably plugging in Brace and spelling him with Wright and/or Pryor. Not something that I want to think about, but it's... less unappealing to me than the thought of losing Mayo.
So my list would be similar to yours, really:
Tier 1 (Basically, these guys are just so good that they're irreplaceable, period): Brady, Moss, Seymour, Mayo
Tier 2 (Maybe not as irreplaceable as the tier one guys, but extremely important to our scheme and the makeup of the roster): Wilfork, Welker, Neal and Adalius
Tier 3 (We have the depth to replace them better than we could the T2 guys, but would still be bad news): Meriweather, Warren, Light, Faulk
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Re: Jerod Mayo far and away voted as the most indispensable player behind Brady
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I love Mayo but . . . it's MOSS.
Moss hands down - You take him away and you just gave the opposing team a huge gift in game planning and preparation.
Mayo goes down and you have a huge problem as well, but you also have a coach that can probably scheme to overcome it to a certain degree.
You have NO answer for Moss, period.
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