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Old 08-18-2009, 05:07 PM   #21
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Love seeing your selections ...

Not sold on Ohrnbergers toughness and he is by no means a lock ... Could see us going with 8 OL and Wendell or Yates being kept until LeVoir is ready to come off PuP. I think I have seen enough of O'Callaghan.

I see the 4-3 being a bigger part of this Defense and Woods and Crable are not 4-3 LBs. I would keep Ninkovich as a DE/LB tweener over Woods with Crable a possibility at PS. Lenon is not needed if we go 4-3. Warren starts the year on PuP.

Keep BJGE and perhaps find a new home for Watson and Maroney. You have to find roster spots for STs Ventrone and Slater. Is a 3rd QB really neccessary if you keep Edelman? If I am going 4-3 then bring in Derrick Brooks, and Vonnie Holliday.
Warren is ineligible for PUP as he has already practiced.
Yates has played (or not) his way off the roster.

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Old 08-18-2009, 05:10 PM   #22
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Love seeing your selections ...

Not sold on Ohrnbergers toughness and he is by no means a lock ... Could see us going with 8 OL and Wendell or Yates being kept until LeVoir is ready to come off PuP. I think I have seen enough of O'Callaghan.

I see the 4-3 being a bigger part of this Defense and Woods and Crable are not 4-3 LBs. I would keep Ninkovich as a DE/LB tweener over Woods with Crable a possibility at PS. Lenon is not needed if we go 4-3. Warren starts the year on PuP.

Keep BJGE and perhaps find a new home for Watson and Maroney. You have to find roster spots for STs Ventrone and Slater. Is a 3rd QB really neccessary if you keep Edelman? If I am going 4-3 then bring in Derrick Brooks, and Vonnie Holliday.
Why not go 4-3 and convert to the Tampa 2, and replace the whole defense? I'm sorry, but I can't see Derrick Brooks fitting on this team, and we don't need more aging LBs. Holliday at least offers versatility to play both 3-4 and 4-3, though I think he is an unlikely option at this point.

I think Edelman has earned a spot as a WR, STer, multi-purpose threat, and to shadow the Wildcat, but I'm not sold on him as a backup QB at this point.

I can't see Crable being cut and making the PS. There are too many teams converting to the 3-4 who need LBs. He will end up on the Chiefs. Same goes for Woods if he is cut (obviously not PS eligible). I can't see either not making the final 53 at this point.
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Love seeing your selections ...

Not sold on Ohrnbergers toughness and he is by no means a lock ... Could see us going with 8 OL and Wendell or Yates being kept until LeVoir is ready to come off PuP. I think I have seen enough of O'Callaghan.

I see the 4-3 being a bigger part of this Defense and Woods and Crable are not 4-3 LBs. I would keep Ninkovich as a DE/LB tweener over Woods with Crable a possibility at PS. Lenon is not needed if we go 4-3. Warren starts the year on PuP.

Keep BJGE and perhaps find a new home for Watson and Maroney. You have to find roster spots for STs Ventrone and Slater. Is a 3rd QB really neccessary if you keep Edelman? If I am going 4-3 then bring in Derrick Brooks, and Vonnie Holliday.
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For some reason I have a feeling it's going to be either Galloway or Lewis, not both.

In the past the Pats have been left light at the TE spot with injuries during the season and with 4 quality players at the position I can't see them being left light there, especially with more 2 TE sets. If they receive a good trade offer for Smith or Thomas I could see them going with 3 otherwise I feel they will go with 4.

There also has to be a spot for BJGE, he's too talented to be left off. Morris has been dinged up as well which might influence the decision here. If you think about, all the backs on the roster besides BJGE and Faulk have been injury prone their entire careers.

There will also be lots of trades before the final cutdown date. There are too many ex-BB disciples that will be competing for talent via the waiver wire so they will make trades for certain players rather than chance it especially since KC will be #1 on the list for waiver claims from that group.
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Edleman as the third string qb is not a realistic option for a number of reasons. The top two being that he isn't physically qualified and would take at least a year or two to even learn how to run a pro offense. (nevermind the fact that it would stunt his WR / Special teams role if he was trying to learn the qb position)

Going with two QB is fine in my opinion with Hoyer stashed on the PS. In fact I would prefer it that way so we could keep another young talent somewhere.
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Although Price had it going a little different as far as Galloway is concerned:
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After what appeared to be an initial stumble on the part of Galloway, the two seemed to make a few nice deep connections. It was fascinating to watch the quarterback and the receivers work together.
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Edleman as the third string qb is not a realistic option for a number of reasons. The top two being that he isn't physically qualified and would take at least a year or two to even learn how to run a pro offense. (nevermind the fact that it would stunt his WR / Special teams role if he was trying to learn the qb position)

Going with two QB is fine in my opinion with Hoyer stashed on the PS. In fact I would prefer it that way so we could keep another young talent somewhere.
3rd string QBs are never wanted until someone gets hurt. Walter is a pretty talented kid and I'd advocate keeping him around.
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I think that who is active depends on who we play. As a general proposition, I would suggest the following:
1) Only 7 OL's are active in any game. Only two game day backups are needed. Hochstein is one backups. The backup OT position is open.
2) Unless Edelman is our returner, he will be inactive. Aiken will never be inactive.
3) I would expect the OL roster spot to be used for a defensive back, probably McGowan, a reasonable special teamer.
4) When in doubt, active roster spots should go to special teamers. They'll play, while the #4 OLB may get no reps at all. Check out some stats and see the distribution of minutes for the #7 linebacker; I bet the minutes are usually very light, except for special teams minutes. And this year, linebackers will be on the field even less.

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MgT and others, given that the final 53 is almost set, what do you see the 45 man active roster looking like (barring injuries)? That's going to be a tough one. Right now I see it looking something like:

2 QBs - Brady and O'Connell
4 RBs - Maroney, Taylor, Faulk and Morris
3 TEs - Watson, Baker and Smith/Thomas
5 WRs - Moss, Welker, Galloway and 2/3 from Lewis/Edelman/Aiken
8 OLs - Light, Kaczur, Mankins, Neal, Koppen, Vollmer and 2/3 from Hochstein/Ohrnberger/LeVoir (or other OT until LeVoir healthy)

6 DLs - Seymour, Warren, Wilfork, Brace, and 2/3 of Wright/Green/Pryor
4 OLBs - Thomas, Burgess, and 2/3 of Woods/Crable/TBC
3 ILBs - Mayo, Guyton, Bruschi/Lenon
3 S - Meriweather, Chung, Sanders
4 CB - Bodden, Springs, and 2/3 of Butler/Wilhite/Wheatley

1 K - Ghost
1 P - Hanson
1 LS - Ingram/Hodel

Obviously, injuries will have a lot to do with the weekly variation as to who plays. I'd like to see another DB, but if Springs is healthy he can play S as well as CB.

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I think that who is active depends on who we play. As a general proposition, I would suggest the following:
1) Only 7 OL's are active in any game. Only two game day backups are needed. Hochstein is one backups. The backup OT position is open.
2) Unless Edelman is our returner, he will be inactive. Aiken will never be inactive.
3) I would expect the OL roster spot to be used for a defensive back, probably McGowan, a reasonable special teamer.
4) When in doubt, active roster spots should go to special teamers. They'll play, while the #4 OLB may get no reps at all. Check out some stats and see the distribution of minutes for the #7 linebacker; I bet the minutes are usually very light, except for special teams minutes. And this year, linebackers will be on the field even less.
Very reasonable thoughts. Thanks.
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Here is a roster from May 4.... I must be crazy to read every blog and watch all the footage, 90% of the roster was set before camp even started.

But what fun it is to make our guesses.

I see Ventrone, Alexander and Slater being the 3 with consolation prizes to Vinny Ciurciu and Yates.
Surprise cut - Lewis and as Mgteich said Smith at TE

----- roster from May 4 -------------------
Lots of Competition For Roster Spots

OFFENSE (24)
QB (3) Brady, O'Connell, Gutierrez/Edleman/Hoyer/fa
RB/FB (5) Taylor, Faulk, Morris, Maroney, BJGE/fa
WR (4) Moss, Welker, Galloway, Lewis
TE (3) Watson, Baker, Smith
OT (4) Light, Kaczur, LeVoir/O’Callaghan/Britt, Vollmer
OG/C (5) Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Hochstein/Yates, Ohrnberger/Bussey

DEFENSE (23)
DL (6) Wilfork, Seymour, Warren, Green, Wright, Brace
OLB (4) Thomas, Crable, Banta-Cain, Woods
ILB (4) Mayo, Guyton, Bruschi, McKenzie
CB (5) Butler, Bodden, Springs, Wheatley, Wilhite
S (3) Meriweather, Sanders, Chung
DB (1) Williams/Spann/Richardson

SPECIALISTS (3)
K (1) Gostkowski
P (1) Hanson
LS (1) Ingram/Hodel

COMPETING FOR THE LAST 3 ROSTER SPOTS (3)
Smith, Aiken, Ventrone, Slater, Alexander, Redd, Pryor, Richard, fa

STARTING THE SEASON ON THE PUP LIST
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