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Count me among those few who think the Bears will be fortunate to win as many games as last year. I know I'm in a minority, but Cutler has never impressed me. Poor decison maker and a gunslinger, the only thing going for him is his powerful arm. But Rohan Davey and Ryan Leaf had powerful arms. It takes more than that to be a QB.
If you really think Rohan Davey and Ryan Leaf are comparable to Cutler, who put up a +22% DVOA last year, you're an idiot.
The only reason the Denver Broncos were'nt hanging out in 0-16 Raiders Land last year was their phenomenal passing game, and Cutler was at the center of that.
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Count me among those few who think the Bears will be fortunate to win as many games as last year. I know I'm in a minority, but Cutler has never impressed me. Poor decison maker and a gunslinger, the only thing going for him is his powerful arm. But Rohan Davey and Ryan Leaf had powerful arms. It takes more than that to be a QB.
I'm with you. I have said for a while that long term the Broncos may have improved themselves trading away Cutler than if they kept him. He is a poor man's Brett Favre without the HOF caliber talent.
Cutler... is a poor man's Brett Favre without the HOF caliber talent.
I'm unconvinced. Cutler is better than Favre in pretty much every possible rate stat.
YPA Comp% Int% Sack% Rate
Cutler: 7.4 62.5 3.03% 4.18% 87.1
Favre: 7.0 61.6 3.40% 5.05% 85.4
And for those of you advanced stats guys, Cutler has a career DVOA of +16.9%.
He's better in pretty much every category I check, and he hasn't even hit his prime yet. And if you compare it to just Favre's first 3 years, Cutler absolutely destroys him.
Most improved = Patriots. From 11-5 but missing the playoffs to 16-0 plus a SB.
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Most overhyped and overrated team: Philadelphia Eagles--they had a great playoff run last year, but many forget they played poorly for a great stretch of games last year. I doubt they are consistent for 16 gms--this team strikes me as a team that gets hot and cold. Who is their go to WR? Jackson? Is he supposed to be a gamebreaker? Who is their power RB for those 3rd and short plays near the goal line? Their defense is top 10 in my opinion. The coach is still a tad conservative to be a SB winner IMO. Even if Mcnabb and Vick are on their best behavior, the Philly media will create false stories about their relationship, and we know how mentally tough Mcnabb is. I still think this is a 9-7/10-6 team, but not a super bowl winner which so many people are saying.
Most improved teams: 1. Minnesota--this is pretty obvious. Minnesota is a scary team--the Giants fans have become a bit queasy during the last few hours. Minnesota has the best running back in the NFL by a mile, the best home field advantage, a top 12 qb who isn't afraid to throw the ball down the field, above average playmakers in the wideout position, top 10 pass rush, top 10 secondary--this team is loaded. They don't have a super bowl coach which could prove to be disastrous in the NFC Championship game.
2. New England--- The Pats were not the best TEAM in 2007, they had the best offense of all time--the defense was bailed out in several games and was often overlooked. Indy was the best team in 2007 as I felt they had the complete team and could have gone 19-0 had they beat us in that Week 9 game. 2009is gonna be a horror show for the rest of the league. The Pats are so angry its hard to put it into words. Belichick is ticked, I can't imagine what Brady is thinking that he lost a year of his career on a cheap shot. Anyway, the addition of Brady, Bodden, Chung, Burgess, and Taylor might be enough tweaking to make this team as Junior Seau puts it, "part of ever!"
The team that no one wants to play in the playoffs: Dallas Cowboys--they have nothing to lose--not many are predicting a playoff berth for this squad. Things have been so quiet at Cowboy camp, it's pretty eery. They are super talented on both sides of the ball and lost a parasitic receiver. They have the best pass rusher in the gm, a potential gamebreaking qb in Romo, and are moving into a beautiful new stadium. The secondary will be torched from time to time and Wade Phillips might be replaced by Jason Garrett in midseason if things aren't at least 5-3/4-4 after 8 gms.
The team that concerns me most as a Pats fan: Indianapolis--Circle the date on the calendar folks. Week 9 will decide home field advantage in the 2009 AFC--lots of Pats fans keep saying Indy will miss the playoffs. It seems like this has been said the last 3 years. They have banged out 12-4/13-3 seasons for ages now, and I can't see their playoff run end just yet. Pats at Colts is gonna be the game of the year with so many implications. The good news is Lucas Oil stadium isn't the same home field advantage that the RCA dome was as the real fans have been priced out. As far as the Colts are concerned, Peyton Manning always has time to throw against the Pats. The Pats pass rush has been nonexistent against the Colts. Hopefully things will change with Burgess, Pryor, and Crable, but I still have some concern that these players will stay healthy for this year. No one has really figured out how to cover that fatso Dallas Clark yet.
Worst team in NFL: Denver Broncos Best team in NFL: Patriots MVP of NFL: Adrian Peterson Defensive player of Year: Jerod Mayo Coach of the Year: Sean Payton Super Bowl: Pats over Saints
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I'm unconvinced. Cutler is better than Favre in pretty much every possible rate stat.
YPA Comp% Int% Sack% Rate
Cutler: 7.4 62.5 3.03% 4.18% 87.1
Favre: 7.0 61.6 3.40% 5.05% 85.4
And for those of you advanced stats guys, Cutler has a career DVOA of +16.9%.
He's better in pretty much every category I check, and he hasn't even hit his prime yet. And if you compare it to just Favre's first 3 years, Cutler absolutely destroys him.
Favre has been playing for nearly 20 years. You cannot compare career totals. When Favre was at his best, he was one of the best QBs of all time. Cutler isn't even close. Favre over the last 5-8 years has been a shell of himself (at least most of the time). Favre when he was in his prime is ten times better than Cutler is now.
Besides, you cannot compare how fast QBs get acclimated in two different eras. Back in the 90s, QBs were slowly groomed for the spotlight and this decade QBs are thrown into the fire and are productive faster.
Biggest step up: could very well be the Pats. Could be the Packers. I could see Houston turning some heads too if Schaub can stay healthy.
Biggest fall: Cardinals, Chargers, and Dolphins will all be significantly worse than they were last year, IMO. I also don't buy that the Titans will be fine without Haynesworth. They might be, but saying that that isn't a huge loss is dumb.
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Most improved = Patriots. From 11-5 but missing the playoffs to 16-0 plus a SB.
I can do without getting the 16--0 thing going again (lived thru that once and don't want to do it again), but indeed they were not a playoff team last year and if they win the SB this year, they would qualify for " Most Improved" no doubt; not the same as going from 5--11, as they did in 2001, but good enough for me!
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BTW, I don't count the Patriots just because the loss of Brady made last season be a bit of an aboration. If Cassel was more polished when he became the starter in September, the Pats could have had 13-14 wins.
When I tried to look at who would be the most improved team and fastest falling, I tried not look at teams who had an one year abborration like the Pats or Dolphins or Falcons. If their fortunes change after one year, I don't know if I would say they fit the criteria. Granted others may disagree.
Patriots (The Brady thing)
Chiefs (won't necessarily reflect in the record)
Vikings (In quality even if not overmuch in record)
Jaguars
Bengals
Falling:
Bucs
Dolphins
Ravens
Panthers
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