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Old 08-18-2009, 11:11 AM   #11
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The team that will take the biggest step down, are the Colts. Last year they pulled 3 wins out of their arses that aren't going to happen again this year. They've taken huge losses not only at head coach but other key coaching positions, the O-line looks like a mess, they lost an icon WR in Harrison, and I think their defense is going to finally fall apart without Dungy patching it up.
I'm gonna disagree here.


While they won a whole bunch of games they shouldn't have, they also have Manning at full health this year. He was limping around the first 5 or 6 games, and that certainly caused issues.

The oline looks like a mess, but it was a mess last year too, and Harrison? Really? He was terrible last year. Gonzales was already much better than him last year, and frankly, the 10M of cap space allowed them to improve a lot of the team.

As to the defense, it was pretty bad last year, and has been pretty bad almost every year. I'm not convinced Dungy was doing anything.
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Old 08-18-2009, 11:13 AM   #12
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The team that will take the biggest step down, are the Colts. Last year they pulled 3 wins out of their arses that aren't going to happen again this year. They've taken huge losses not only at head coach but other key coaching positions, the O-line looks like a mess, they lost an icon WR in Harrison, and I think their defense is going to finally fall apart without Dungy patching it up.
The Colts aren't stupid but their defense will be a mess again this year, however I don't think they will miss the playoffs unless Manning gets injured.
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Minnesota Vikings. They have the best RB in the NFL,
This really aggravates me, and I think casts light on the Fantasy Football Generation of fans.


Adrian Peterson may be the best pure runner in the NFL, but hes not even close to being the best RB, and won't be until he can learn to pass block and can catch more consistently.

If I were a GM, and was allowed to pick one running back, for one year (so age is not a concern), there are a handful of guys I would pick before AP:

Clinton Portis
Ladanian Thomlinson
Matt Forte
Thomas Jones
Deangelo Williams
Marion Barber
Steven Jackson


Theres probably a couple more. All can block. All can catch. All run well. None of them run as well as Peterson, but the overall package is better.

That, and none of them fumble 10 times a year.
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As to the defense, it was pretty bad last year, and has been pretty bad almost every year. I'm not convinced Dungy was doing anything.
It was never an elite D, but Polian got by with picking up random defensive players through draft or free agency, because of Dungy's expertise with the Tampa-2. I'm not sure the Colts will get away with their defense this year without Dungy.

You could be right though, Peyton would prevent an epic season collapse. I'm pretty sure we'll be reading articles about his complaining about the team, or throwing more people under the bus.
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It was never an elite D, but Polian got by with picking up random defensive players through draft or free agency, because of Dungy's expertise with the Tampa-2. I'm not sure the Colts will get away with their defense this year without Dungy.
Right, but the Tampa 2 isn't exactly a mystery anymore, and its not all that complicated. The entire purpose of the tampa 2 is that pretty much everyone in the defense is expendable except the pass rushers.

I also think Polian had a whole lot more to do with keeping that defense atleast mediocre than Dungy.
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Biggest drop...DALLAS COWBOYS.....

1) As long as Jerry Jones's ego is making football decisions, this team will secure 4th place in NFC East
2) Wade Phillips...best cheerleader, worst coach
3) Tony Romo....most overrated QB in football. Lacks focus, pocket presence, and decision making skills.

Runners up....Miami and Tampa

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What are your predictions for this season? Who do you think will make a big jump upwards as a team, and who do you think is going to fall the most, or be the biggest surprise?

For a team on a major upward trajectory, I'll go with the Saints. They added a lot of solid pieces to the defense in the off-season, on top of their already potent offense.

The team that will take the biggest step down, are the Colts. Last year they pulled 3 wins out of their arses that aren't going to happen again this year. They've taken huge losses not only at head coach but other key coaching positions, the O-line looks like a mess, they lost an icon WR in Harrison, and I think their defense is going to finally fall apart without Dungy patching it up.
Fastest Falling? That's easy Wrecks Ryan's New Joisey JESTs

I like the Texans as risers.
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This really aggravates me, and I think casts light on the Fantasy Football Generation of fans.


Adrian Peterson may be the best pure runner in the NFL, but hes not even close to being the best RB, and won't be until he can learn to pass block and can catch more consistently.

If I were a GM, and was allowed to pick one running back, for one year (so age is not a concern), there are a handful of guys I would pick before AP:

Clinton Portis
Ladanian Thomlinson
Matt Forte
Thomas Jones
Deangelo Williams
Marion Barber
Steven Jackson


Theres probably a couple more. All can block. All can catch. All run well. None of them run as well as Peterson, but the overall package is better.

That, and none of them fumble 10 times a year.
You would take LT over AP at this point to start one game?
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Old 08-18-2009, 12:13 PM   #19
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I also have to disagree on the Colts. Their offense may be slightly worse than previous years, but their defense could be very dangerous this year. Honestly, I think its between us and them again... factor in the fact that they get an easy schedule this year, and the fact that this is our last year in the rotation to play in Indy, and it is going to be a real challenge for us to get home-field in the playoffs.

On the other side of the argument, they're going to see that losing Dungy was a huge blow. They're fooling themselves with Caldwell. He reminds me of Cam Cameron with Miami in '07... both had no success in college, why would they succeed as head coaches in the NFL? It just doesn't make sense.

Honestly though, I actually think the Colts will be better this year.

As far as most improved? The Pats without a doubt. Did you see Brady's reaction to throwing that interception against the Eagles? There's an unprecedented level of hunger in his heart, and I feel like that will be the case for the whole team. They want this, and of course, they're talented... and honestly, I think their defense is going to be solid this year. The Pats D is my fantasy sleeper.
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Most improved teams this year will be New Orleans and Oakland

Brees will be lights out and Bush will be offensive PLOY - With a little help from the defense this team will be much better than they were in 2006 and could make it to the Super Bowl

Jamarcus Russell knows his job is in jeopardy with Garcia breathing down his neck and he also has what appears to be a very solid rushing attack behind him - The defense is already pretty good and no one beats Nnamdi often - 9-7 for this team and makes Al happy before he drops over in a heap.

Falling Teams ...

Indy - Manning finally can see his high powered offense starting to fall apart,Harrison is gone and Wayne is no longer a spring chicken and Addai needs to revert back to 2006 to save Mannings ass from having to carry the team on his shoulders again,Sanders injury will hamper him all season killing the secondary - The Colts without their spirited leader Dungy miss the playoffs on the fringe end of a loss of tiebreaker like NE did last year - they go 9-7

Tampa Bay - Never good to change head coaches immediately after losing their last few games of the season and getting rid of Chucky was a bad move,this team will continue to lose this season..a lot ,expect 4-12 from the Bucs

Denver as well is going to be BAD - McDaniels is going to slowly destroy this team,Shanahan took this teams competitiveness with him,I compare his firing to that of if Belichick left of how the Pats would fare and I wouldn't want to find that out.
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