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***jmt57*** · 07-03-2009, 12:57 PM

Patriots Way too tough to copy? by Andy Hart of Patriots Football Weekly

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The entry deals with a question that I think many of us following the NFL and Bill Belichick have wondered for years: Are Belichick’s understudies capable of recreating his organizational leadership style in other places?

Belichick’s “one-voice” approach and tight organzational measures have worked to supreme success in New England. But that success has included two very important factors – it’s taken place under Belihcick’s direction and with Tom Brady at quarterback. Winning begat winning and with more winning came a more stringent faith in the way things are run in Foxborough.

Can his disciples succeed doing things the Belichick/Patriots Way without working under Belichick, without Brady under center?

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Will be interesting to see how McDaniels and Mangini do this season and next. In a way I'm pulling for at least McDaniels to succeed, if for no other reason than to keep the haters from finding an excuse to diminish Belichick's accomplishments.

K-Ro 25 · 07-03-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jmt57

Patriots Way too tough to copy? by Andy Hart of Patriots Football Weekly

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Will be interesting to see how McDaniels and Mangini do this season and next. In a way I'm pulling for at least McDaniels to succeed, if for no other reason than to keep the haters from finding an excuse to diminish Belichick's accomplishments.

Isnt BB legacy being enhanced since its being proven one assistant at a time that they are miserable HC choices?

***DarrylS*** · 07-03-2009, 01:14 PM

There is no denying the veracity of the article, but I would take it two steps further.. to have an owner like Bob Kraft at the helm, who does not meddle in the day to day is very positive for this team, he knows his role and has allowed BB to make decisions ... and on the other end as fans we have been spoiled and have tasted the good life, so we will probably never settle for mediocrity again..

Sicilian · 07-03-2009, 01:54 PM

Playoffs or no, we went 11-5 without Brady under center and with multiple injuries on offense AND defense. Brady is the SB winner for sure, but neither Romeo nor Mangini won 11 games in any season, so BB without Brady is STILL better than them.

***NEGoldenAge*** · 07-03-2009, 01:56 PM

I would love to see Mangini bungle into an 0-16 season, resulting in general fan rebellion, and the Browns moving to LA.

***feldspar*** · 07-03-2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by K-Ro 25

Isnt BB legacy being enhanced since its being proven one assistant at a time that they are miserable HC choices?

Bingo. I'd have to go with this line of thought. I mean, the more his assistants fail in other places, the more people will consider him as being the key in New England. Of course being an assistant and being a Head Coach are two different things entirely. A great coordinator doesn't naturally translate into being a great Head Coach. Also, having good people can unfairly elevate your reputation. That's the nature of a team sport.

I know I've had my differences between Manning and Brady with people on this board, but I don't think people can argue against Belichick as being the best coach in the league. Some may point to Spygate as the only reason, but he pretty much asked for that IMO. It might not be true, but he asked for it.

Please note that I didn't point to Spygate by way of discrediting Belichick's accomplishments. I called him the best coach in the league.

***feldspar*** · 07-03-2009, 02:26 PM

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I would love to see Mangini bungle into an 0-16 season, resulting in general fan rebellion, and the Browns moving to LA.

Why? Cleveland deserves a team, especially with the way they support a bad one.

***N.Eman*** · 07-03-2009, 03:35 PM

Having an Offensive mindset Coach with the right QB can do great things, but its been proven that coaches braching out from the Belichick tree have limited success, and can never duplicate what NE has and can do. We've seen Crennel go under 'cause he had no real QB, Mangini took over, basically he's in the same situation he was in NY. McD has Orton, maybe better situation. I see them have success but not as a Playoff contender

***BradyFTW!*** · 07-03-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by feldspar

Bingo. I'd have to go with this line of thought. I mean, the more his assistants fail in other places, the more people will consider him as being the key in New England. Of course being an assistant and being a Head Coach are two different things entirely. A great coordinator doesn't naturally translate into being a great Head Coach. Also, having good people can unfairly elevate your reputation. That's the nature of a team sport.

I know I've had my differences between Manning and Brady with people on this board, but I don't think people can argue against Belichick as being the best coach in the league. Some may point to Spygate as the only reason, but he pretty much asked for that IMO. It might not be true, but he asked for it.

Please note that I didn't point to Spygate by way of discrediting Belichick's accomplishments. I called him the best coach in the league.

That relies on the assumption that failing as a head coach means you weren't a good coordinator. Head coach and coordinator are very different jobs, and some of the best coordinators out there have been forgetting, at best, as HCs. ****, Norv Turner was a hell of an OC, and look what he's done with the Chargers.

efin98 · 07-03-2009, 04:00 PM

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That relies on the assumption that failing as a head coach means you weren't a good coordinator. Head coach and coordinator are very different jobs, and some of the best coordinators out there have been forgetting, at best, as HCs. ****, Norv Turner was a hell of an OC, and look what he's done with the Chargers.

See Wade Phillips, Dick LeBeau, Marvin Lewis for more on the decent/good coordinators struggling as head coaches.