upstater1

You're blinder than blind. Manning is a huge choke artist who has had all world weapons on offense, and he just turtled in the playoffs and threw interceptions left and right.

feldspar

See post #9.

TruthSeeker

My impression is that Manning is more accurate than Brady when he is in the pocket. His accuracy is worse, however, when he is on the move.

I can't see any difference in the speed of the ball (i.e. arm strength) between the two.

They both slide around the pocket well; Brady is probably the best in the League at that.

Tom Brady handles adversity better and is a great leader.

They both work really hard.

Oh, and Brady is much more clutch.

Wildo7

So the fact that Manning has had an all pro WR core around him for his entore career, and has played his entire career in a dome (and struggled in outdoor games) has no bearing on the statistical discrepancy?

The first full season Brady had with weapons comparable to Peyton's, he blew the doors off the league even without the dome factor.

The only reason why it's even a question at this point is because Peyton was drafted higher and was hyped coming out of college and started in the league earlier than Brady did.

I guarantee you that Brady has a much bigger impact on the rest of the team than Manning does.

Dirk3601215

Brady's SNL was pretty funny.

TommyBrady12

i've argued this a lot on the colts board. manning is a better regular season quarterback and not so much a playoff qb. He's thrown 22 TDs in the playoffs: 9 TDs have been in two games against the Denver Broncos. Take those two Bronco games away and he's only thrown 13 tds in 13 playoff games. this is very average for a qb of manning's stature. also, manning has thrown for 0 or 1 td in 12 out of 15 playoff games or something to that extent. this is why the colts keep losing in the playoffs - manning. all i hear is peyton doesn't have a defense, offense, coaching or special teams from colts fans every year. in the post season you have to be wired differently as a qb. peyton doesn not have the mindset of a great playoff quarterback. in the playoffs you have to go on the road in places like NE, Denver, Pitt and Baltimore. you don't always have the opportunity to stay in a warm fuzzy dome.

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"He’s the greatest quarterback to ever play the game. He goes from being a rookie that nobody is expecting anything from, to taking over with people saying he can’t do it, to winning three Super Bowls....It should already be obvious he’s the greatest quarterback to ever have played. "

- Steelers S Troy Polamalu on Tom Brady

eagle eye

Ok Feldspar, I will ask you to answer these questions.

You have a choice of either Brady or Manning for the Superbowl.

Who do you go with and why?

I want the plus and minus for both.

Who is the best quarterback in history not including any of the present players? And why do you rate that guy no.1?


Just so I can get a handle on where you are coming from.

Dirk3601215

The fact that Peyton has played with Marvin Harrison his whole career obviously didn't enter into your reasoning. Brady's played with scrubs his whole career.

Neither did the fact that he plays indoors. Like, you know, where snow CAN'T get in. Brady plays outside. You know, where snow and rain and wind and the cold and all that other stuff that happens outdoors CAN get in. U-N-D-E-R-S-T-A-N-D?

Regular season numbers FTL. Wanna post some playoff stats please?

feldspar

What, like in 2000, when he posted a 121.4 QB rating, completing 72.7% of his passes for two TDs and 0 INTs in Indy's only playoff game? Do you figure that it's his fault the Colts lost that game?

2002, not so good.

2003, excellent in 2 of 3 games. Absolutely mind-blowing excellent...until he faced New England. First game, 158.3 rating...I'm not sure, but I don't think you can do better than that...5 TDs, 0 INTs, 84.6% completions, 377 yards. Second game, 138.8 rating, 73.3% completions for 304 yards, 3 TDs and 0 INTs. Then it all fell to ***** in New England.

2004 - One game...excellent again statistically, although I don't know why he only attempted 10 passes. According to nfl.com, he completed 6 of those 10 passes though, and HALF of them were for touchdowns. 3 TDs and 0 INTs for a passer rating of 143.8. The Colts lost that game. Was it Manning's fault?

2005 - had one bad game in the playoffs. Pretty bad, actually.

2006 - didn't have the best postseason, but the Colts win the Super Bowl anyway. They came in as a Wild Card and benefited from their defense stepping up. Are you going to give him credit for winning this Super Bowl. Well, you should, if you are going to give Brady credit for winning three.

2007 - had a pretty good game, but his team lost. 118.5 QB rating.

2008 - good game. Manning completed 59.5% of his passes for 310 yards, a TD, and no INTs.


There you have Manning's postseason history. It's not the choke-job people make it out to be. And without Adam Vinatieri, Brady might not be labeled Mr. Perfect, or whatever the hell...

ctpatsfan77

FWIW, I once took a look at this (I was bored or sick or something. . . .).

If you go game-by-game, and compare Brady and Manning, you'll find that by the end of their 16th games as starters, Brady had a higher QB rating than Manning—and that never changes.

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