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***Patjew*** · 06-27-2009, 12:22 AM

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Interesting point. Seymour has continued to play at a high level. I definitely think Law didn't make the list because he hasn't played well the past two or three seasons. Age definitely crept up on him quick. However, I whole-heartedly reject any notion that Law wasn't among the best corners in the league during his career. I watched quarterbacks completely disregard his side of the field during both regular season and playoff games. Peyton Manning even offered to deliver Law's induction into the HOF.

If his career ended in 2003 this would be a correct statement.

Deus Irae · 06-27-2009, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by PatsBoy12

Are you serious? Ty Law has over 50 career INT's. There was a period of 3-4 years where he was regarded as the best in the game by people outside of this board.

Ty Law was only voted first team All Pro twice in his career. I'm not sure where you're coming up with your logic on this. Perhaps you could show us the evidence.

eagle eye · 06-27-2009, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Ty Law was only voted first team All Pro twice in his career. I'm not sure where you're coming up with your logic on this. Perhaps you could show us the evidence.

Well all I can say is that we have lost out in a few huge games since his departure. Remember Asante Samuel getting that pass interference call against the Broncos just before halftime.

Remember the AFC Championship game against the Colts where Hobbs got called for interference in the end zone and of course in 07/08 SB when we gave up a late one to lose the game. I'm not saying we would have won both games but Law would have made a difference in one of the two and we'd have four SBs because if it was in the AFC game we'd have went on and beaten the Bears.

For me he was superb and definitely belongs on that list. Its the very same as the Brady vs Manning argument, when its clutch Ty Law is the guy you want and thats not berating Champ Bailey either but Law has done in when the heat is one more than any other corner.

***BradyFTW!*** · 06-27-2009, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Ty Law was only voted first team All Pro twice in his career. I'm not sure where you're coming up with your logic on this. Perhaps you could show us the evidence.

So what? Brady's only been voted first team All Pro once, so that right there tells you exactly how meaningful that is.

Deus Irae · 06-27-2009, 03:58 AM

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So what? Brady's only been voted first team All Pro once, so that right there tells you exactly how meaningful that is.

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Perhaps you could show us the evidence.

Did you miss that part, both when you read my post and when you quoted it? First team All Pro for a corner would mean that you were considered to be one of the two best cornerbacks in the league by the selectors of that particular version of the award. Since Law only made it on the list in 2 seasons, there's not enough evidence just there to validate the poster's assertion.

Hence the request for the evidence.

***Patjew*** · 06-27-2009, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by eagle eye

Well all I can say is that we have lost out in a few huge games since his departure. Remember Asante Samuel getting that pass interference call against the Broncos just before halftime.

Remember the AFC Championship game against the Colts where Hobbs got called for interference in the end zone and of course in 07/08 SB when we gave up a late one to lose the game. I'm not saying we would have won both games but Law would have made a difference in one of the two and we'd have four SBs because if it was in the AFC game we'd have went on and beaten the Bears.

For me he was superb and definitely belongs on that list. Its the very same as the Brady vs Manning argument, when its clutch Ty Law is the guy you want and thats not berating Champ Bailey either but Law has done in when the heat is one more than any other corner.

Bailey's performance over the decade as a whole has been superior.

livinginthe past · 06-27-2009, 04:55 AM

I'm guessing alot of the debate on this -All-Decade team is due to people being unsure of the criteria.

Some seem to think thats its the best player at that position who happened to play some part of his career in this decade.

Others think that its the player who has performed consistently the best at that position since 2000.

Its my opinion that they are generally looking at the latter definition, which is where Law falls down.

Bailey has been better, for longer, this decade.

Truly speaking we arent even at the end of this decade yet and Law has been a non factor for years.

Thats not to say Law wasn't a great player, a clutch performer, over a certain period of his career.

He'll always be a Patriot great in my mind and i'll take that over some fabricated ESPN award.

fair catch fryar · 06-27-2009, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by livinginthe past

I'm guessing alot of the debate on this -All-Decade team is due to people being unsure of the criteria.

Some seem to think thats its the best player at that position who happened to play some part of his career in this decade.

Others think that its the player who has performed consistently the best at that position since 2000.

Its my opinion that they are generally looking at the latter definition, which is where Law falls down.

Bailey has been better, for longer, this decade.

Truly speaking we arent even at the end of this decade yet and Law has been a non factor for years.

Thats not to say Law wasn't a great player, a clutch performer, over a certain period of his career.

He'll always be a Patriot great in my mind and i'll take that over

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some fabricated ESPN award

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Precisely, and we all know that ESPN knows how to fabricate with the best of 'em.

PatsBoy12 · 06-27-2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Ty Law was only voted first team All Pro twice in his career. I'm not sure where you're coming up with your logic on this. Perhaps you could show us the evidence.

I never stated an exact number of times he was voted to the All-Pro team so I have no idea what evidence you're talking about.

It's funny how so many people make any "assertion" they want providing nothing but opinion and conjecture, then those same people turn around and want evidence of some sort. The evidence is in the plays he's made. The evidence is his playoff performances (plural). The evidence is All-Pro quarterbacks admitting that there have been times they stayed away from him. That's certainly evidence enough for me.

PatsBoy12 · 06-27-2009, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by livinginthe past

I'm guessing alot of the debate on this -All-Decade team is due to people being unsure of the criteria.

Some seem to think thats its the best player at that position who happened to play some part of his career in this decade.

Others think that its the player who has performed consistently the best at that position since 2000.

Its my opinion that they are generally looking at the latter definition, which is where Law falls down.

Bailey has been better, for longer, this decade.

Truly speaking we arent even at the end of this decade yet and Law has been a non factor for years.

Thats not to say Law wasn't a great player, a clutch performer, over a certain period of his career.

He'll always be a Patriot great in my mind and i'll take that over some fabricated ESPN award.

Good explanation. Finally something that makes some sense to me. Thanks for breaking it down. I admit that I'm somewhat guilty of what you talk in the post. Thanks. Again, I was never saying that Bailey didn't belong on the list, as I feel that's what many gleaned from my initial post. I just couldn't understand how someone with some of Law's credentials could not be on the list. However, when you state it the way you did, it makes a lot more sense now.