mcgraw_wv

It's really not even close...

Pat White out rushed him by a wide margin and against teams like Georgia, Auburn, Oklahoma, Pitt, and others of known talent.

Watch Pat White's runs and it's all speed, he ran faster than Darius Butler, and continually ran past him every year they played against each other.

If you watch Pat White film, for 4 straight years, he was the fastest player on the field period in every game.

When I watch Edelman clips, he runs around against extremely unpolished defenders an still didn't have any break away runs like White did where there was no catching him.

Julian may be agile, but he's still no Pat White.


I mean seriously, your trying to compare a 4 time bowl game winner that won the Big East multiple times, and continually beat teams from conferences of SEC, and teams like OU.

There is no comparison, this Julian kid is an after thought, no he's not even a thought, compared to the sheer talent Pat White is...

And you would have never heard of this kid, or even began to elevate him had he been drafted by someone else.

Pay White is the real deal, proven on solid ground with stats, and wins to back him.

Not more INTs than TDs, and not with a losing record at some really soft competition...

It's not close people... no where close.

letekro

Normally, I don't respond to posts that aim to insult, but because of the spectacular idiocy of your post, I will make an exception in this case.

As to your first point - if you can't take a running start and actually hurt him, what's the point of hitting him?

As to your second point - ok, let's say you do take a running start and really level him, are you suggesting that there is no penalty for "unnecessary roughness" in the NFL??? Are you really saying that this rule, which calls for a 15 yd penalty, would not apply if a player took a 5-10 yd. running start and annihilated a QB who was just standing out wide away from the play??? And are you further suggesting that committing such a penalty would not subject you to a fine levied by the league office??? Have you ever watched an NFL game??? Are you aware that the league office would rather see a defensive player maimed beyond recognition, than have a QB suffer a papercut???

I know that you have nothing better to do than prowl this message board and insult other Pats fans for their "garbage" posts, but maybe you should heed your own advice and think before you post.

DaBruinz

Are you really saying that Pat White was the ONLY reason that West Virginia won its games? That no one else on the team helped. It was ALL Pat White?

Just how many games did Kent State play against the SEC???? Just how many highly ranked recruits go to Kent State?

Someone needs to get his nose out of Pat White's jock. Seriously. Pat White is not the next messiah at QB. And no one is claiming that Edelman will be the next messiah at WR. What people have recognized is that Edelman showed better skills than Pat White during the receiver and return drills that they were asked to perform.

As for whether White ran past guys in college, who cares. Its not like he'll be doing that on a regular basis in the NFL.

Seriously, the only thing REAL about Pat White is his whiny attitude that turned several teams off to him. He didn't exactly show a TEAM FIRST attitude during work outs.

mcgraw_wv

So many scouts and NFL guys said they didn't know where he fit but he has too much talent to not be in the league.

Yes, I honestly believe Pat White was a HUGE reason for WVU success, as a fan who saw WVU year in and year out, he was the most successful player at WVU during college.

Count the number of other WVU players who were drafted?

I'm not saying Pat White will be Peyton Manning, I'm saying in College, over 4 years, Pat White dominated all facets of the game compared to Julian Edelman. Let's not also forget that White was a Heisman finalist as well...

Wether that translates into NFL success doesn't matter, but when you want to compare past performance between White and Edlemna, you need to judge from a base of reality...

Edelman could turn into the next Welker, and that would be great, and White could turn into a no name in a year. But Pat white in all phases of his college career dominated eldeman.

And it's not even close...

mcgraw_wv

Pat White's accomplishments
Julian Edelman

DaBruinz

Let me get this straight. You are replying to a post that pointed out how you didn't bother to think things through in your own post and you are taking exception to it? Sounds to me like you are the one with the issue.

Please don't attribute things to me that I didn't say. I'm not the one who developed the scenario and I said nothing about hurting the player. I just said you aren't likely to take him off his feet in two strides. You could still hurt him by hitting him during the play.

Did I say that? Nope. I didn't. Please go back and read what was posted.

Now you are changing the scenario. The original scenario said the CB was lined up 2 yards off. Not 5 -10. And what I said stands. In the situation of the Wildcat, a player such as Pennington, Brady, Wallace, etc, who is lined up wide, is not considered the QB, but is considered a WR. A CB hitting him from 2 yards away isn't going to get flagged for unnecessary roughness if the whistle hasn't blown the play dead. And hitting him could bruise the QBs arm or tweak his wrist or shoulder.

I didn't suggest anything. You are the one who is attempting to give me credit for things that I neither said, implied or suggested. And you're doing it because you've got yourself all riled up over the fact that someone had the audacity to call you out on your post.

I thought my post through very well, thank you. I made sure that I was clear and precise in the scenario offered. I made sure that I didn't imply or suggest anything beyond the scenario offered. And I didn't attribute anything to others that they didn't actually say. So, I headed my advice just fine.

Now, I suggest you go back and read what was posted and then come back with a legitimate, well thought out response instead the post you put up that only made you look even more foolish.

DaBruinz

4 years.


Single season.

Comparing apple to oranges.

JoeSixPat

I get the feeling that Pat White, if his speed is as you describe and I don't doubt you - is well positioned to be a contributor at some other aspect of the game - i.e. RB, PR whatever...

i.e. although he played QB if he were trying out for RB at WV he'd have been every bit as competitive as the starters

In Edleman's case I look at him as someone who can play a special teams role and provide depth at a variety of other positions - including QB - freeing up a roster spot for someone else by taking on multiple backup roles... and perhaps adding a Wildcat quotient in goalline or other plays.

So for me he doesn't need to be anything close to what Pat White may be to be valuable to this team.

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FOOD FIGHT! COOL!

I'm passing out rotten fruit and veggies........

DaBruinz

Most said he didn't fit in the league as a QB.

So, you are a WVU fan. Which means you have a bias.
As for the number of WVU draftees in the last 4 years, there have been 7 in the last 4 years. There were 3 in 2009 (White, Lankster, McAfee), 3 in 2008 (Slaton, Schmitt, Mundy), and 1 in 2006 (McCann). By comparison, Kent State has had 3 players taken in the last 4 years. One in each of 2009 (Edelman), 2008 (Jack Williams), and 2007 (Usama Young).

Did White have a successful career? Yes. He did. And no one is taking that away from him. But he had help. Including Slaton for 3 years.

So, Pat White was a Heisman finalist. There has been a Heisman winner who went undrafted.

As for comparing White to Edelman, have you ever watched Edelman play? Do you take into consideration the level of talent that Edelman had around him? I don't think that you do. I'd be willing to be that the 3rd stringers on WV would probably be starters for Kent State in most cases.

You say that White "dominated" all facets in comparison to Edelman, but are unwilling to look at the help that White had to accomplish that in comparison to Edelman.


Unless you've sat down and broken down the film on both from an unbiased view, you're saying that White is better carries no weight behind it. Because you are comparing apples to oranges. You are comparing significantly different levels of team talent and trying to say they are the same.

Pat White has talent. Clearly. Otherwise he'd not have been drafted in the 2nd round. But he's just as unrefined as Edelman. Edelman has a leg up on him in several aspects. First being attitude. Second is transferrable skills (Edelman with the better pass catching and route running). Third, attributes. They are basically the same speed, but Edelman has better agility, vertical, and burst.