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Old 04-26-2009, 10:39 PM   #21
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I will give one caveot that I may be wrong about what the minimum rookie cap hit is
Well, yes. Looking at Miguel's page and seeing salaries well below your quoted figure might have been your first clue.

Using Google would have quickly revealed to you that rookie minimum salary is $310,000 next year.

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Hodel is a veteran so eventhough he signed for $750k and a $50k roster bonus, his cap hit is $519k and if he is cut the whole $50k hits ths year's cap.
That's pretty garbled, but you are close to correct in that his cap hit, as per Miguel, is only $517,280, and what can be saved off the cap by cutting him is $57,280 less than that. I was forgetting about that twist in the CBA.

So the cap difference between the two is only $150K, plus whatever acceleration there is on Ingram's bonus. Surely that's under $200K total.

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Old 04-26-2009, 10:41 PM   #22
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He does say as of April 26th. Taylor ain't on the roster right now.
I'm praying for Taylor in, TBC out
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Well, yes. Looking at Miguel's page and seeing salaries well below your quoted figure might have been your first clue.

Using Google would have quickly revealed to you that rookie minimum salary is $310,000 next year.



That's pretty garbled, but you are close to correct in that his cap hit, as per Miguel, is only $517,280, and what can be saved off the cap by cutting him is $57,280 less than that. I was forgetting about that twist in the CBA.

So the cap difference between the two is only $150K, plus whatever acceleration there is on Ingram's bonus. Surely that's under $200K total.
So I was slightly off with the numbers because I confused the veteran minimum with the rookie minimum, but my overall point stands. The Pats probably save about $100-150k by cutting Hodel (maybe less) when you factor in the bonus. If the Pats are making personnel decisions based on saving $100-150k against the cap, then they got more problems than determining who is going to be the long snapper.
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MG’s ROSTER AS OF APRIL 26 6:24

OFFENSE (25)
QB (3) Brady, O'Connell, Gutierrez
RB/FB (5) Taylor, Faulk, Morris, Maroney, BJGE
WR (5) Moss, Welker, Galloway, Lewis, Tate
TE (3) Watson, Baker, Thomas
OT (4) Light, Kaczur, LeVoir, Vollmer
OG/C (5) Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Hochstein, Ornberger

DEFENSE (25)
DL (7) Wilfork, Seymour, Warren, Green, Wright, Brace. Smith
OLB (5) Thomas, Crable, Banta-Cain, Woods, Redd
ILB (4) Mayo, Guyton, Bruschi, McKenzie
CB (5) Butler, Bodden, Springs, Wheatley, Wilhite
S (4) Meriweather, Sanders, Chung, Williams

SPECIALISTS (3)
K (1) Gostkowski
P (1) Hanson
LS (1) Ingram

WAITING FOR INJURIES
Hodel, Spann, Ventrone, Slater, Richardson, Yates, O’Callaghan, Yates, Ruud, Alexander, Aiken
Particular vulnerabilities IMO:

Tate to injury
Gutt to another position
BJE to another position or a veteran blocking FB
Levoir to fellow vet reserves
Ingram to Hodel
Williams to younger guys

And by the way, you have Yates listed twice
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I agree with all your possibilities. In fact, I favor upgrading Gut and BJGE with veteran free agents.

There is always injury risks and players injured at the time of the draft who may or may not be ready for the season.

I would be surprised to see healthy Tank Williams cut to make room for younger players. I presume that you mean Spann or Ventrone. We really don't have a need to make the secondary any younger. If he is cut, it will be because one of them is more valuable. I just don't see it, but then that is what camp is for.

I like LeVoir and Ingram, but am certainly fine with veterans instead.

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Tate to injury
Gutt to another position
BJE to another position or a veteran blocking FB
Levoir to fellow vet reserves
Ingram to Hodel
Williams to younger guys

And by the way, you have Yates listed twice
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I would be surprised to see healthy Tank Williams cut to make room for younger players. I presume that you mean Spann or Ventrone. We really don't have a need to make the secondary any younger. If he is cut, it will be because one of them is more valuable. I just don't see it, but then that is what camp is for.
Or Slater or whoever.

Chung could well fill the specific quasi-LB safety role that Rodney filled so well even when he was slipping otherwise, and that Williams is meant for. If so, Williams might not have much of a role otherwise.
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Projected 53 Man Roster
QB: Brady, O'Connel, Guitterez (3)
No way Bill keeps less than 3 after Tom's Injury last year.
RB: Morris, Maroney, Taylor, Faulk, BJGE (5)
Injury histories of top 4 keeps BJGE on roster
TE: Baker, Smith, Watson (3)
Hochstein's FB ability allows for only 3 TEs w/ no FB.
WR: Moss, Welker, Galloway, Lewis, Aiken, Edelman (6)
Edelman's versatitlity, return ability, potential give him roster spot over Slater.
OL: Light, Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Kaczur, Vollmer, Ohrnberger, LeVoir, Hochstein (9)
Tough position, lots of depth and wildcards
DL: Warren, Wilfork, Seymour, Brace, Wright, Le Kevin Smith (6)
I don't think we keep 7 DLs, and Green's Average season last year and high cap number give him the ax.
ILB: Mayo, Bruschi, Guyton, Lenon, Ciurcui (5)
Alexander finally goes, Ciurcui is the new Izzo.
OLB: Thomas, Woods, Crable, Redd (4)
TBC presence and ST's ability can't overcome Redd's potential.
CB: Bodden, Springs, Wheatley, Wilhite, Butler (5)
Easiest position unless Richardson squeezez in as a 6th CB and outplays McGowan on ST.
S: Sanders, Meriweather, Chung, McGowan (4)
Another easy position, with the only real battle being McGown v. Richardson v. Spann.
ST: Gostkowski, Hanson, Ingram (3)
Ingram is cheaper, better than Hodel (just a guess no one can really judge snappers)
Last 5 in: Redd(49), Ciurcui(50), Hochstein(51), BJGE(52), Edelman(53)
Last 6 out: Ventrone(54), Green(55), Yates(56), TBC(57), Thomas(58),
Britt(59)
Practice Squad: (If everybody's available): G. Bussey, M. Pryor, D. Richard, J. Porter, R. Ortiz, E. Kettani, B. Hoyer, J.Love.

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OFFENSE (23)
QB (3) Brady, O'Connell, Hoyer
RB/FB (4) Taylor, Faulk, Morris, Maroney
WR (4) Moss, Welker, Galloway, Lewis,
TE (3) Watson, Baker, Smith
OT (4) Light, Kaczur, LeVoir, Vollmer
OG/C (5) Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Hochstein, Ornberger

DEFENSE (24)
DL (7) Wilfork, Seymour, Warren, Green, Wright, Brace, Smith
OLB (5) Thomas, Crable, Woods, Redd
ILB (4) Mayo, Guyton, Bruschi, Lenon
CB (5) Butler, Bodden, Springs, Wheatley, Wilhite
S (4) Meriweather, Sanders, Chung, Williams,

SPECIALISTS (6)
K (1) Gostkowski
P (1) Hanson
LS (1) Ingram
ST (3) Slater, Edelman, Ciurciu/Banta-Cain.

RESERVE: McKenzie, Tate

WAITING FOR INJURIES
Hodel, Spann, Ventrone, Thomas, Richardson, Yates, O’Callaghan, Alexander, Aiken, BJGE, Gutierrez

P.S. - Ruud is gone so he can't be on the "waiting for injuries" section.
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Particular vulnerabilities IMO:

Tate to injury
Gutt to another position
BJE to another position or a veteran blocking FB
Levoir to fellow vet reserves
Ingram to Hodel
Williams to younger guys

And by the way, you have Yates listed twice
How is LeVoir vulnerable? LeVoir went from the Rams Practice Squad to being the Swing tackle for the Pats. He more than held his own and, imho, will push both Light and Kaczur. He's way ahead of Britt and O'Callaghan.

Gutt is battling Hoyer.
Williams won't be vulnerable.

TBC is vulnerable, imho.
I don't see BJGE making this team. He'll probably be on emergency speed dial.
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DaBruinz Roster Guess:

OFFENSE (23)
QB (3) Brady, O'Connell, Hoyer
RB/FB (4) Taylor, Faulk, Morris, Maroney
WR (4) Moss, Welker, Galloway, Lewis,
TE (3) Watson, Baker, Smith
OT (4) Light, Kaczur, LeVoir, Vollmer
OG/C (5) Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Hochstein, Ornberger

DEFENSE (24)
DL (7) Wilfork, Seymour, Warren, Green, Wright, Brace, Smith
OLB (5) Thomas, Crable, Woods, Redd
ILB (4) Mayo, Guyton, Bruschi, Lenon
CB (5) Butler, Bodden, Springs, Wheatley, Wilhite
S (4) Meriweather, Sanders, Chung, Williams,

SPECIALISTS (6)
K (1) Gostkowski
P (1) Hanson
LS (1) Ingram
ST (3) Slater, Edelman, Ciurciu/Banta-Cain.

RESERVE: McKenzie, Tate

WAITING FOR INJURIES
Hodel, Spann, Ventrone, Thomas, Richardson, Yates, O’Callaghan, Alexander, Aiken, BJGE, Gutierrez

P.S. - Ruud is gone so he can't be on the "waiting for injuries" section.
This looks like an NFL team that will win 12+ games and be a threat to win it all..... The good times continue to roll in New England!
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