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Old 03-26-2009, 03:55 PM   #71
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You keep making claims that aren't true.
such as??????????????
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Old 03-26-2009, 04:24 PM   #72
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Nice. We have moved to the passive-aggressive Deus Irae knows he is wrong so will change the subject portion of our program.
I wasn't wrong, or even close to being wrong. Seriously, what's been going on with you this offseason? You've been way off your game.

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Technically 'any reason' is incorrect because it assume a reason is required.
Technically NFL teams can terminate players "WITHOUT REASON".
Now, my original post on this point (in this thread):

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4.) The league really needs to rein in this "off-season workouts" crap. The whole point of the word voluntary has been subverted. I really hope that the next CBA takes a stand on this.
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Now, your comment about "any reason" and my response:

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But all of the workouts they do have are in the CBA, as is the fact that your contract can be terminated for ANY reason, or without reason...
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It's not in the CBA as mandatory workouts. It's supposed to be voluntary. And your contract cannot be terminated for ANY reason.

Seriously, what the hell is so difficult about this? If the teams think these events should be mandatory, let them bargain for that in the next CBA.
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You're wrong on the "reason" aspect of things, and it's not as if it's even questionable since federal labor law is pretty clear on certain things not being valid reasons for firing. Now, before this gets too heated and you start insisting that I'm still being passive aggressive when I'm actually trying to be polite to a moderator, I'll just tell you to have a nice day and consider this particular conversation between the two of us to be finished.
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I really truly will feel upset if they sign Taylor after letting Vrabel go.

The only true way I will be ok with it is if they pay him dirt.
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I wasn't wrong, or even close to being wrong. Seriously, what's been going on with you this offseason? You've been way off your game.

>>>As I said even when it is iron-clad you will not admit you are wrong.
NFL players are cut and released from their contracts a reason is never needed. You are arguing that a team needs cause to cut a player, and nothing could be more wrong. I don't know how you can even keep up the charade that you are right. Please prove this to me by either documenting the process of determining the reasons for cutting players, or give me one single example where a charge has been made and sustained for unfair labor practices when an NFL team cut a player. Or show me in the CBA where it says teams cannot cut players without cause. Hell show me anything other you saying you are right because you say you are right.

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You're wrong on the "reason" aspect of things, and it's not as if it's even questionable since federal labor law is pretty clear on certain things not being valid reasons for firing. Now, before this gets too heated and you start insisting that I'm still being passive aggressive when I'm actually trying to be polite to a moderator, I'll just tell you to have a nice day and consider this particular conversation between the two of us to be finished.
Your posting comments made before i posted anything in the thread and calling them your response to me.
Please show me the Federal Labor Law that is 'pretty clear' that employees who have negotiated a CBA that includes contracts that allow the employer to terminate them without cause and without penalty are not allowed to be terminated without reason.
You are trying to argue that the Labor Laws that cover Suzy the Secretary apply to a collectively bargained agreement between NFL teams and players that sign contracts stating that the team can terminate the contract at any time without reason.
You are only correct in the absence of the CBA and the player contract.

Ironically, you are spouting that the CBA considers them mandatory and ignoring the fact that the same agreement that creates your argument also defeats it by providing for the condition that every contract can be terminated by the team without cause or reason.
Then you watch NFL teams cut, what 40-50 players each every year and try to argue that they cannot do that because of Labor laws. If labor laws disallowed that how do you sign a collective bargaining agreement that says teams will sign up to 80 players and then MUST terminate enough contracts to retain a maximum of 53? Does the CBA mandate that NFL teams must vioate the law 27 times each summer?
You are much smarter than pushing this lame argument. You know that there is no requirement that an NFL team cite a reason for cutting a player. You have seen it happen with Taylor and TO this month. How you can continue to argue simply because it is the only alternative to admitting you are wrong is beyond me. Especially when the FACT that you are wrong is equal to the FACT that it is Thursday today.
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You know that there is no requirement that an NFL team cite a reason for cutting a player. You have seen it happen with Taylor and TO this month.
Actually The Redskins gave a reason. They cut Taylor because he refused to do something that was not required of him: attend voluntary workouts.
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Your posting comments made before i posted anything in the thread and calling them your response to me.
The first post was exactly as I stated: my first post on the issue in this thread. It was post #6. Your post that I showed just above was #36 (you also posted #37 directed at me), and the post I noted as my response was #38.


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