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NE39 · 03-24-2009, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Miguel

Without that individual right of first refusal how does a franchise player prevent his old team from trading him to another team (not that he wants to go to) once he signs his franchise tender.

Yes, that would be an issue. I imagine there would have to be something specified within the contract, or at the least a "gentlemen's agreement". Admittedly, that seems pretty weak.

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My take on the above: 7 is an exception to the proration rule making the increase an increase in Paragraph 5 salary. Otherwise, why list it as an exception??

Yes, that seems logical. I'll have to look into this further, for I am nagged by this. I remember having this same discussion years ago, and there was a loophole somewhere allowing the traded player to have bonus allocation hold off until he is assigned to the new team. If I can't find it, I'll concede the point.

Synovia · 03-24-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Miguel

Without that individual right of first refusal how does a franchise player prevent his old team from trading him to another team (not that he wants to go to) once he signs his franchise tender.

Barring extenuating circumstances, teams generally don't want to trade a pick for a player with a $15+M cap hit and a 1 year contract. It doesn't prevent the team from doing it, but the suitors would be limited.

***Miguel*** · 03-24-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Synovia

Barring extenuating circumstances, teams generally don't want to trade a pick for a player with a $15+M cap hit and a 1 year contract. It doesn't prevent the team from doing it, but the suitors would be limited.

In NE39's scenario Peppers' cap hit would be much smaller than $16.7 million which would increase the number of suitors.

eom · 03-24-2009, 04:13 PM

let me ask this question, along similar lines --- what if a peppers/moss really wanted out of wherever they were and the pats have plenty of cap, but maybe they don't really like the long term deal offered, and would prefer to keep the franchise money, just not in that city.
could they lead the pats on, letting them think they're amenable to signing long term, then as soon as the pats trade for that one year franchise figure the player turns around and says they'll play there for the year but has changed their mind on the new deal?

NE39 · 03-25-2009, 10:54 AM

FYI... Mr. Brandt returned my email with a message he is in Japan and asking me to contact him next week.

NE39 · 03-26-2009, 02:13 PM

Mike Florio, of PFT, has chimed in and says it is possible:

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Finally, the long-term contract that the player signs while still a member of his old team typically defers any payment for several days, in order to avoid the old team from experiencing any cap consequences. Then, one the trade is accomplished, the former team clears the cap space arising from the franchise tender, and the new team absorbs the first-year cap number arising from the long-term deal.

He lists these steps for making a deal happen:

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1. The franchise player and his potential new team work out a long-term contract;

2. The new team and old team work out the terms of a trade;

3. The player signs his franchise tender;

4. The player signs the new long-term contract;

5. The player is traded.

eom · 03-26-2009, 06:16 PM

I think steps 2 and 3 are in the wrong order.

glad to hear the rest, though.

this make me think it would be totally possible to float him some reasonable dough at a very small '09 hit.

PATSYLICIOUS · 03-26-2009, 06:59 PM