Originally Posted by Rob0729

Probably not. Cassel would probably get the same or more in real dollars if he got a new deal. He would probably get something like a $12-14 million bonus in a deal which is paid out immediately upon signing (it might be broken into two payments during the season) and a base salary of some sort. It would probably be low the first year, but Pioli tends to like making contracts that the money is spread out pretty evenly over the life of the contract (especially with the 30% rule in effect). So Cassel could get somewhere around 16-17 million in real dollars this year. Plus, the tender money is paid out over the season rather than one lump sum like a signing bonus is.

Originally Posted by Synovia

Cassel is already GUARANTEED 14.6M. In order to sign a long term deal, you're going to have to guarantee him atleast a significant amount more this year. He has no incentive to take a deal that gives him less than 14.6M right now.

Originally Posted by Rob0729

Cassel MIGHT take less year one if the overall guaranteed money was higher. Just because you guarantee a play X amount of dollars, they don't usually get it all in the first year. If Cassel got a contract with 30 million of guarantees that were paid out over the next 3 years, but the real money he got in 2009 was lower than $14 million I bet he would jump at it in a second. He would be stupid not to.

From a tax standpoint, it may be better for Cassel to get less each year of his contract even if the guaranteed money is the same.

So you are basically telling me that Cassel is going to turn down $30 million in guaranteed money (most people think it will be around $25 million if he gets a new deal, so $5 million in more guarantees than expected) if he doesn't get paid at least $14.6 million this year? That makes no sense.

Originally Posted by PatsWickedPissah

Once you''ve blown thru the max tax rate it saves nothing of consequence to spread it out.

Were I advising someone in Cassel's situation financially I'd say take the money NOW before the threats to increase the top tax rates get implemented.

Originally Posted by Rob0729

There is a difference between signing bonus and guaranteed money.

Originally Posted by Synovia

Not in the case of the Franchise Tag, theres not. As soon as he signed that tag, He gets 14M, whether he gets hurt, whatever,.

Originally Posted by Rob0729

There is no signing bonus for the franchise tag. There is one for a new contract and that is significantly lower than the overall guaranteed money in a lot of cases. If Cassel gets offered the choice of a contract with $30 million guaranteed over 3 years and only gets a $12 million sign bonus or a contract with only $25 million in guarantees and a $17 million signing bonus, he isn't going to take the second deal because it has a bigger signing bonus. He would be stupid to take the franchise tag tender rather than the first deal. If he gets $30 million in guarantees, he is guaranteed the money as much as he would if he would with the franchise tender.

Originally Posted by Synovia

I know theres no bonus on the tag, it is all guaranteed though. He gets paid whther he gets cut, sucks, hurt, whatever. THe only way he doesn't get paid that 14.6M is if he renegotiates. So, I'd guess 20M guaranteed would be the absolute lowest he would even think about.

It needs to be significantly more than 14M guaranteed, and actually guaranteed, not roster bonuses, for him to think about it.

Originally Posted by Rob0729

Again, if you sign a long term deal with $30 million of guaranteed money, it is guaranteed too. Of course he would get more in guaranteed money if he signed a long term deal, but his signing bonus money may and may even most likely be less than $14.6 million.

Originally Posted by Synovia

Cassel is already GUARANTEED 14.6M. In order to sign a long term deal, you're going to have to guarantee him atleast a significant amount more this year. He has no incentive to take a deal that gives him less than 14.6M right now.