Did Denver inadvertendly screw the Pats on Cassel trade value - New England Patriots Forums

***maverick4*** · 03-01-2009, 08:11 PM

All those other prospective teams we expected to line up with picks for Cassel were affected by the possibility that the Broncos were willing to ship Jay Cutler for picks. By listening to offers for Cutler, Cutler trumped Cassel temporarily as the prized QB on the trade market. The attention that would have been going to New England for Cassel was instead directed to the Denver front office for a near-impossible 3-way trade scenario where Cutler would be traded out and Cassel would be their guy.

Tampa and others wouldn't bid more for Cassel to hurt Denver's chances of landing Cassel. Also, Belichick/NE had to wait for Denver to decide while they had major time pressure (Vrabel's bonus due on 3/1 and without trading Cassel the Pats would currently be over the cap), which is a major bottleneck. Additionally, teams that wanted Cutler wouldn't want to outbid Denver for Cassel.

By inhibiting other teams from making a strong or faster play for Cassel in the past few days, the Broncos cost us at least another 3rd rounder.

aeg · 03-01-2009, 08:14 PM

Regardless of the impact on the market for Cassel, it is costing McDaniels pretty heavily in PR.

Fire Josh McDaniels webpage

WhiZa · 03-01-2009, 08:18 PM

Don't the Broncos play in the same division as the Chiefs? My hampering the trade they just expedited a chance to see Cassel and Vrabel twice a year.

VJCPatriot · 03-01-2009, 08:20 PM

I believe that Denver was the team approached and not the other way around. So Denver did not initiate the trade idea of the Cutler/Cassel/Picks swap. They listened but they decided no. So that pretty much kills the deal before it gets started.

Ochmed Jones · 03-01-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by VJCPatriot

I believe that Denver was the team approached and not the other way around. So Denver did not initiate the trade idea of the Cutler/Cassel/Picks swap. They listened but they decided no. So that pretty much kills the deal before it gets started.

I agree, I think Tampa was exploiting the McDaniels-Cassel relationship to pry Cutler away for a 1st round pick. However Tampa would not part with a 1st rounder for Cassel.

Pats726 · 03-01-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by VJCPatriot

I believe that Denver was the team approached and not the other way around. So Denver did not initiate the trade idea of the Cutler/Cassel/Picks swap. They listened but they decided no. So that pretty much kills the deal before it gets started.

Acrually I heard that as well...the Broncos were the ones listening to offers NOT initiating...but hamper teh Chiefs?? Why not??

spacecrime · 03-01-2009, 08:27 PM

Not sure how Denver inhibited other teams from making an offer for Cassel. I thought the best way to get value for a player to have several teams interested?

It is hard for me to accept that another team wouldn't make an offer on a player because another team was interested in that same player.

Childress: "We have an awesome defense, the league's best RB, a fine Oline and some nice WRs. All we need is a top QB and we are superbowl bound. Too bad Denver is interested in Matt Cassel. He is the guy we need, but oh, well. Guess we have to go with Tavares Jackson and Sage Rosenfells. Too bad, we coulda been a contender."

***ctpatsfan77*** · 03-01-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by spacecrime

Not sure how Denver inhibited other teams from making an offer for Cassel. I thought the best way to get value for a player to have several teams interested?

It is hard for me to accept that another team wouldn't make an offer on a player because another team was interested in that same player.

Childress: "We have an awesome defense, the league's best RB, a fine Oline and some nice WRs. All we need is a top QB and we are superbowl bound. Too bad Denver is interested in Matt Cassel. He is the guy we need, but oh, well. Guess we have to go with Tavares Jackson and Sage Rosenfells. Too bad, we coulda been a contender."

The sad thing is . . . that may be exactly what went through Childress' mind.

***MoLewisrocks*** · 03-01-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by maverick4

All those other prospective teams we expected to line up with picks for Cassel were distracted by the real possibility that the Broncos were willing to ship Jay Cutler for picks. The attention that would have been going to New England for Cassel were instead directed to the Denver front office for a near-impossible 3-way trade scenario where Cutler would be traded out and Cassel would be their guy. Meanwhile, Belichick didn't want to pay Vrabel's bonus which is tomorrow (3/2/09) and also wanted to unload Cassel's huge cap space as soon as possible so we could play in free agency.

I'm thinking by inhibiting other teams from making a strong or faster play for Cassel in the past few days, the Broncos cost us at least another 3rd rounder.

Mav's just looking for something else to blame his whipping boy McKid for now that he's not running the offense here. It was Tampa who initiated the 3 way trade talk, and certainly not with Josh as he's a rookie HC on a team with a GM and with Shanny gone a very involved owner. Apparently it was never a very real possibility either but that's been pointed out to Mav on his other anti Josh thread over in the NFL forum...

***maverick4*** · 03-01-2009, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by spacecrime

Not sure how Denver inhibited other teams from making an offer for Cassel. I thought the best way to get value for a player to have several teams interested?

The point is that the teams that would have been interested in making an offer for Cassel did not make offers to the Pats when they thought Denver was open to dealing Cutler. Denver may not have initiated, but simply entertaining offers for Cutler put Cutler above Cassel in terms of teams making bids.