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The understanding below would have been a reasonable contract to sign. Conditional picks in contracts are common. They chose NOT to sign such a contract.
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Originally Posted by Frezo
I don't see why not. It could have gone something like this.
Pioli: "Bill, I understand that you want the cap space right now, but it will take some time to finalize a contract with Matt. I will trade the 2nd round pick for the tendered contract and Vrabel. If/when a contract is signed, we'll change the compensation to...."
Belichick: "Thanks my friend. That works for me."
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I continue to be amazed at those who suggest that Matt Cassel is worth anywhere near $14.6M for his services in the 2009 season, especially for a poor team. My congratulations to Matt, his agent, and the media, on their joint campaign to make Matt rich.
BTW, I think we did very well to get the #34 pick in this draft for Matt. If we had traded with Tenn, most would have agreed since we would have gotten a first. I suspect most would have agreed if we received a 2010 1st and 3nd which, depending on team, is about the same in value to what we got.
Before the hype, most of us would have been fine with a 2010 first or the #34 in this draft.
The alternative is about $25 million in guarantees. Four years ago, the Saints basically gave Drew Brees a one year deal worth $10 million. Considering he was only good for about a year and a half (no where as good as he is now) and coming off a major injury, he is as big as a risk as Cassel is today. Based on the increases in salary, $14.6 million is not that much of an increase.
Cassel is worth based on this year's contracts vs. previous QB contracts probably around $10 million a year maybe $11-12 million. So an extra $4.6 million is not that much more. Pioli will be hoping he doesn't have a long term deal in place if Cassel goes out there this year and throws for 2,500 yards, 15 TDs, and 18 INTs. Because a long term contract would be far worse for him.
It's not whether he is worth $14.6 million (because he if he gets a long term deal, his average yearly salary won't be that much less). It's whether Cassel's salary demands are out of whack or not and Pioli has any doubts about him. If Cassel is looking for something like $30 million in guarantees (which isn't all that crazy considering what other players are getting), the smarter route might be to just let him play under the franchise tender and see how it goes.
The Chiefs are well under the cap and would be paying that $14.6 million to someone(s) if not Cassel.
I don't see why not. It could have gone something like this.
Pioli: "Bill, I understand that you want the cap space right now, but it will take some time to finalize a contract with Matt. I will trade the 2nd round pick for the tendered contract and Vrabel. If/when a contract is signed, we'll change the compensation to...."
Belichick: "Thanks my friend. That works for me."
Well, there would need to be a conditional part to the trade in writing. I doubt there would be anything under the table.
One thing that is not even being talked about... if Cassel does only do the 1 year contract, he is a FA next year. In a potential uncapped season, the Jets have the capital to give Cassel a blank check to get him on the team. Makes me wonder if the reason the Jets are not going after a QB is because they expect to get one next year.
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Ok, so now you're saying the going rate for a one-year deal for a QB one isn't sure of is $14.6M?? Personally, I don't think the cost would be anywhere near that high if Pioli were to sign another "veteran" quarterback with the hope that he would produce and sign a long-term contract after the season was over, or even during the season.
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Originally Posted by Rob0729
The alternative is about $25 million in guarantees. Four years ago, the Saints basically gave Drew Brees a one year deal worth $10 million. Considering he was only good for about a year and a half (no where as good as he is now) and coming off a major injury, he is as big as a risk as Cassel is today. Based on the increases in salary, $14.6 million is not that much of an increase.
Cassel is worth based on this year's contracts vs. previous QB contracts probably around $10 million a year maybe $11-12 million. So an extra $4.6 million is not that much more. Pioli will be hoping he doesn't have a long term deal in place if Cassel goes out there this year and throws for 2,500 yards, 15 TDs, and 18 INTs. Because a long term contract would be far worse for him.
It's not whether he is worth $14.6 million (because he if he gets a long term deal, his average yearly salary won't be that much less). It's whether Cassel's salary demands are out of whack or not and Pioli has any doubts about him. If Cassel is looking for something like $30 million in guarantees (which isn't all that crazy considering what other players are getting), the smarter route might be to just let him play under the franchise tender and see how it goes.
The Chiefs are well under the cap and would be paying that $14.6 million to someone(s) if not Cassel.
One thing that is not even being talked about... if Cassel does only do the 1 year contract, he is a FA next year. In a potential uncapped season, the Jets have the capital to give Cassel a blank check to get him on the team. Makes me wonder if the reason the Jets are not going after a QB is because they expect to get one next year.
But, under the current CBA, he would not be an unrestricted FA. In 2010, unrestricted free agency would be for 6+ year vets and he would have finished his 5th year.
Ok, so now you're saying the going rate for a one-year deal for a QB one isn't sure of is $14.6M?? Personally, I don't think the cost would be anywhere near that high if Pioli were to sign another "veteran" quarterback with the hope that he would produce and sign a long-term contract after the season was over, or even during the season.
If the going rate was $10 million back in 2006, $14.6 million isn't that far off.
I still think the franchise tender might be the safer route for the Chiefs. Obviously Pioli doesn't mind risking that he is going to the season with only a franchise tender because if they were close to having a deal in place at the time of the trade, it would be done now. Pioli has to know that there is a chance that Cassel will not be signed.
If Pioli made this trade with the understanding that he cannot go into the season with Cassel making $14.6 million, he is far dumber than I thought. It would give Cassel all the bargaining power.
The alternative is about $25 million in guarantees.
well the alternative is doing no deal at all
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Originally Posted by Rob0729
Four years ago, the Saints basically gave Drew Brees a one year deal worth $10 million. Considering he was only good for about a year and a half (no where as good as he is now) and coming off a major injury, he is as big as a risk as Cassel is today. Based on the increases in salary, $14.6 million is not that much of an increase.
huge difference - Brees was never traded for pick 34. HUGE difference
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Originally Posted by Rob0729
Cassel is worth based on this year's contracts vs. previous QB contracts probably around $10 million a year maybe $11-12 million. So an extra $4.6 million is not that much more.
yeah whats another 50% / $4m between friends.
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Originally Posted by Rob0729
Pioli will be hoping he doesn't have a long term deal in place if Cassel goes out there this year and throws for 2,500 yards, 15 TDs, and 18 INTs. Because a long term contract would be far worse for him.
theres a flip side to that coin
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Originally Posted by Rob0729
It's not whether he is worth $14.6 million (because he if he gets a long term deal, his average yearly salary won't be that much less).
yes it will be. also it's not AAV that matters, its the guaranteed monet
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Originally Posted by Rob0729
It's whether Cassel's salary demands are out of whack or not and Pioli has any doubts about him. If Cassel is looking for something like $30 million in guarantees (which isn't all that crazy considering what other players are getting), the smarter route might be to just let him play under the franchise tender and see how it goes.
if you're not gonna sign him to a long term deal then why trade for him in the first place??
if he has a great year then you're ****ed, he'll just be a UFA
One thing that is not even being talked about... if Cassel does only do the 1 year contract, he is a FA next year. In a potential uncapped season, the Jets have the capital to give Cassel a blank check to get him on the team. Makes me wonder if the reason the Jets are not going after a QB is because they expect to get one next year.
Well, he would be a RFA and eventhough the tender would be about $18 million, the Jets would have to give up a first and third to get him. I think if Cassel does play this year without a long term deal and plays as good or better than he played down the stretch in 2008, Cassel will have a new contract in place before the end of the season. I am sure that if Cassel comes out on fire in September and October, Pioli would have a deal in place by December.
Well, he would be a RFA and eventhough the tender would be about $18 million, the Jets would have to give up a first and third to get him. I think if Cassel does play this year without a long term deal and plays as good or better than he played down the stretch in 2008, Cassel will have a new contract in place before the end of the season. I am sure that if Cassel comes out on fire in September and October, Pioli would have a deal in place by December.
but why would Cassel sign? better off to hit the open market
Re: Cassel's contract (and effect on the deal)
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