JoeSixPat

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here....

That the Patriots and a New York organization will be the only teams to spend a lot of money without a salary cap? I'd be interested in knowing what facts you have to back that up because Robert Kraft doesn't strike me as the type of guy to spend $300 million on personnel just because he can. Nor would I expect Football to parrot the team spending structure seen in baseball.

Or are you making the point that, yes, the Red Sox have made many bad moves and haven't had to pay the price... effectively trading guys like Rentaria not to play on the team anymore, and replacing them with better players regardless of price tag?

So you're saying that BELICHICK would the same sort of bad decisions but wouldn't have to pay the price?

I don't think you're going to find too many people agreeing with that. Just the opposite - other teams that make poor decisions will be able to dig out of their hole just like the Red Sox have - thereby making them more competitive, just like the Red Sox.

No one else here is suggesting that, for some unknown reason Belichick will suddenly lose his ability when the cap goes away. They're simply talking about the fact that the poor decisions that other teams make could be undone by the swipe of the corporate credit card.

So while I like your Red Sox analogy I think it proves just the opposite of what you intended.

Deus Irae

More money than all but a small handful of teams + best coach and owner in the game = consistent advantage.

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JoeSixPat

Funny - I thought we already had a consistent advantage with an owner and coach who spent wisely compared to those who didn't.

I guess I've completely misjudged Kraft and Belichick now that you've told me they'll outspend nearly every other team - but I still think Bob Kraft might disagree with you there. He'd proably say that he's made himself a success by being frugal and spending wisely... and not by overspending compared to his competition.

I guess in hindsight its a good thing he had the new stadium publicly financed instead of paying for it out of his own pocket, because otherwise that might limit his cashflow compared to the stupid owners who didn't foot the taxpayers with the bill.

Deus Irae

Your rejoinder is that Kraft might not spend the money? Yes, the guy who spends to the cap pretty much every year is suddenly going to become tight with the cash. Great logic.

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JoeSixPat

Yet another patented Deus "I'm right, everyone else is wrong" fabricating the assertion that anyone who doesn't agree with him thinks that Robert Kraft is a cheap mizer.

Nor is there any "logic" in making an unsubstantiated statement that because Robert Kraft spends to the limit in a limited spending system, that he will spend an unlimited amount if the cap is lifted.

Kraft will spend WISELY - i.e. enough to give the team to talent to win a Championship. Every year. Period. The current state of the economy alone makes any assertion that Kraft - one of the smartest businessmen around- will spend unlimted amounts completely ludicrous.

And for those teams that don't have the same financial resources as other teams - you might see some owners gamble on borrowed funds, as there aren't too many quicker ways to improve one's team marketing picture than winning a Super Bowl.

Just like you were wrong about Cassel not signing the tender, I think you're wrong if you don't think that Kraft and Belichick will continue to spend wisely - unlike other teams that often OVERSPEND for players even in a capped system.

Just TRY to comprehend that in an uncapped system, it's not only what the PATRIOTS spend that you need to factor - it's the fact that OTHER teams no longer need be hindered by the consequences of their unwise spending.

fgssand

With the potential for an uncapped year starting next season - I would think they are looking at the next next few years with "what if" scenarios in mind. Not unlike how they dove into cap management and found ways that have become SOP today, such as NLTBE's / LTBE's and moving around cap dollars with flexibility.

I am sure they have thoroughly researched every aspect of what uncapped years mean and how they should do business. Could be trying to stockpile draft choices (if they feel that would be the way to go) or how they deal with contracts thinking eligibility for free agency goes from 4 to 6 years. I am not saying they are going to operate assuming that will be the case, but they cannot make moves in a vacuum without considering what it could mean.

My whole point is that stupid organizations will continue to make stupid moves no mater what arena they operate in while our organization, by it's very nature will succeed.

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Deus Irae

I'm not saying everyone else is wrong, as you well know. I'm pointing out simple realities and trying to apply those current realities to a possible future. The Patriots bring in top tier money and have the best coach in the game. They spend to the cap almost every year. Making Brady one of the highest paid players in the NFL, paying Moss $9 million per, etc.... are not exactly examples of Kraft refusing to pony up for quality players. If you hear players talk you hear about how well they are treated when it comes to food, facilities and the like. I think all of that would combine to give the team a decided advantage year after year if there were no salary cap. You disagree with that. Now, get back to me when being "spending wisely" and outspending other teams are mutually exclusive. Until then, your argument isn't logical because "spending wisely" does not preclude one from spending a lot.

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Leave No Doubt

There aren't many teams who've been able to manage the cap as successfully as the Pats plus WIN and/or contend so consistently. JMO but I don't see them suddenly going insane, signing every superstar out there just because they're uncapped. Some teams will though,I'm sure, and we know who they are

The uncapped year comes at a great time for the Pats though, considering all the players we've got coming due after 09 like Big Vince, Sey, and Vrabes among others. No cap might allow the Pats some wiggle room should they decide to keep some of these guys, plus re-tag Cassel if the situation rolls in that direction.

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JoeSixPat

I must have been imagining it when thinking back to player after player after player that the Patriots refused to overpay to bring back... and that other teams DID overpay for... and THAT'S in a salary cap situation.

Your assessment that the Patriots, now and in a non-capped system, will typically be the highest bidder for services seems somewhat off the mark.

I don't expect a non-capped year to be the Wild West of the NFL. If it comes down to a bidding war on a player now, and in an uncapped system, I don't expect Kraft will be the one to over-pay or consistently be the highest bidder.

And you continue to fully ignore the fact that teams that make poor fiscal choices will no longer be penalized for such moves. How is that better for the Patriots?