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Only 10 teams have under $14M available and only 5 of those are way out of the range. Cap space, or lack thereof, isn't what it used to be.
Not only that, but of those 10 teams, only 3 have any real likelihood of being interested in a QB (Seattle, St. Louis, Carolina), and they'd all get under if they just cut their current starting quarterbacks ($6 million saved for Delhomme, $14 milllion for Hasselbeck and $6.5 million for Bulger).
I'm not saying that other things, like the dead money created by such cuts, wouldn't prevent those teams from signing Cassel. I'm just pointing out an easy way for them to come up with enough money to make the deal even at full "franchise" value for Cassel.
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Re: The Patriots won't get an opportunity to "trade" Cassel
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Originally Posted by Bobs My Uncle
I'd add:
Niners (Hill, O'Sullivan, Martin, Smith)
Texans (Rosenfels, Nall and Schaub)
Titans (36 yr old Collins, headcase Young)
Lions (Dallas' pick @ 20)
Eagles (McNabb?)
I cant see these teams giving up two first rounders. I can see some of them interested if its a trade situation. Where they may only have to give up 1 1st rounder or less.
Niners - Have the 10th overall. Cassel may help out, but its possible they could finish in the same area of next years draft. #10 and a #10-15 pick in 2010 is alot for a team that has more holes then just a QB. I could see them waiting to see if Cassel signs the tender and then offereing a 2nd rounder and a 2nd in 2010 or a conditional 1st in 2010 if they are successful with Cassel.
Texans - They have alot invested in Schaub. Money and picks. And he is not a bad QB. I cant see them ready to give up on him yet. Not for two 1st rounders at least
Titans - I think the only reason they would not do it is that they have a ton of money invested in Young. I agree he is a headcase and I think he will never be a good QB. But thats alot of money you put into an investment and getting nothing from. I can see then trying a lesser route like a more solid back up if Young cracks up.
Lions - They have so many holes that I cant see them thinking Cassel can come in right away and make a difference. And wouldnt they have to give up both their 1st rounders for this year which is #1 and #20? If so, thats alot for a team that is starting from the bottom.
Eagles - I can see them bringing McNabb back after the success he and the team had at the end of the season.
Just my opinions.
Last edited by stevedogc; 02-03-2009 at 06:19 PM..
Re: The Patriots won't get an opportunity to "trade" Cassel
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Originally Posted by stevedogc
I cant see these teams giving up two first rounders. I can see some of them interested if its a trade situation. Where they may only have to give up 1 1st rounder or less.
Niners - Have the 10th overall. Cassel may help out, but its possible they could finish in the same area of next years draft. #10 and a #10-15 pick in 2010 is alot for a team that has more holes then just a QB. I could see them waiting to see if Cassel signs the tender and then offereing a 2nd rounder and a 2nd in 2010 or a conditional 1st in 2010 if they are successful with Cassel.
Texans - They have alot invested in Schaub. Money and picks. And he is not a bad QB. I cant see them ready to give up on him yet. Not for two 1st rounders at least
Titans - I think the only reason they would not do it is that they have a ton of money invested in Young. I agree he is a headcase and I think he will never be a good QB. But thats alot of money you put into an investment and getting nothing from. I can see then trying a lesser route like a more solid back up if Young cracks up.
Lions - They have so many holes that I cant see them thinking Cassel can come in right away and make a difference. And wouldnt they have to give up both their 1st rounders for this year which is #1 and #20? If so, thats alot for a team that is starting from the bottom.
Eagles - I can see them bringing McNabb back after the success he and the team had at the end of the season.
Just my opinions.
I can.....if any of the teams that are prepared to offer one #1 and say a 3 or even a #2, in the heat of losing out in a bidding war......will plunk down the two and get their QB.
A team MUST have a winning QB - there aren't a lot around that are available and can step right in and turn an offense around and have 10 solid years of play ahead of them.
As a matter of fact, there is only one of those and his initials are MC. All the other options are old guys and rookies........If I am the owner or GM looking to win I give the# 1's and take the QB.
Here are 10 more reasons if you don;t like mine...
Re: The Patriots won't get an opportunity to "trade" Cassel
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Originally Posted by patchick
So suppose Cassel is tagged, thus free to negotiate with any team, and he comes to terms with the team of his choice. Why on Earth would that team decide to fork over 2 firsts instead of approaching the Patriots to negotiate a lower level of compensation?
It depends what the market it. I don't expect to get two #1s. But if, say, Minnesota wants him and would offer a 1&3 but sees TB and KC as competition it's not impossible they could just sign him by paying more to eliminate the competition. They could say a playoff #1 this year and, likely, a lower #1 next year isn't that bad to solve their QB situation.
Re: The Patriots won't get an opportunity to "trade" Cassel
I still find that two #1s is a lot to give up... even though there are examples this year of high picks moving (Dallas WR).
But here's a question I don't have an answer to : who was the last player to BE picked up in this manner (just signing the player and giving away two #1s) ? I can't recall any in recent memory. Teams have traded away tagged players, but... Anyone remember recent moves of the like ?
Re: The Patriots won't get an opportunity to "trade" Cassel
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Originally Posted by farn
I still find that two #1s is a lot to give up... even though there are examples this year of high picks moving (Dallas WR).
But here's a question I don't have an answer to : who was the last player to BE picked up in this manner (just signing the player and giving away two #1s) ? I can't recall any in recent memory. Teams have traded away tagged players, but... Anyone remember recent moves of the like ?
I can't think of anybody more recent than Joey Galloway, another Dallas WR.
Re: The Patriots won't get an opportunity to "trade" Cassel
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Originally Posted by patchick
But Cassel has to agree to a deal in principle with his new team before a trade happens regardless. Nobody's going to fork over significant draft picks to have Cassel play under the one-year franchise contract. And he's free to negotiate, or not, with any team he wants.
So suppose Cassel is tagged, thus free to negotiate with any team, and he comes to terms with the team of his choice. Why on Earth would that team decide to fork over 2 firsts instead of approaching the Patriots to negotiate a lower level of compensation?
So they can insure retaining his services and circumvent the entire 'negotiation' or bidding war they believe could happen.
Having read this entire thread I think people are forgetting what the OP was trying to get at. As well as the differences between signing and trading for a franchised player.
(for example)
If the Vikes just have to have Cassell and he has been franchised
- they simply offer him a contract that is acceptable to him, Cassel signs the offer
- the Pats have a given period to match
-if the pats do not match the Vikes offer, per the CBA, the Pats recieve the next two Vikes 1st rounders. (this years and next years).
I do think that if Detroit wanted to do this it would mean both 1st rounders this year.
Trading for him will mean coming up with a contract offer for Cassell AND a package of picks (or players) worth less than the two 1st round picks.
The entire package will have to be acceptable to the Pats and Cassell. This is where the bidding war among teams (hopefully) could take place.
Re: The Patriots won't get an opportunity to "trade" Cassel
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Originally Posted by fgssand
I can.....if any of the teams that are prepared to offer one #1 and say a 3 or even a #2, in the heat of losing out in a bidding war......will plunk down the two and get their QB.