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***Rob0729*** · 02-03-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Favre had the Jets at 8-3 before he got hurt. Fans may forget that, or choose to ignore it in their zeal for attacking the guy, but most teams are smart enough to understand the significance. Unlike a lot of people here, I'd much rather the Jets get stuck with Clemens under center than see Favre return.

And the team was winning on defense. Even his 6 TD game was because the defense caused Warner to turn over the ball 5 times. You look at the games this year even before the last five games when he blames an injury for his poor play and you can only find three, maybe four games where he played well. Favre had a mediocre to average season and continued his ways of making costly mistakes.

***Leave No Doubt*** · 02-03-2009, 12:37 PM

Favre's hype outweighs his actual performances. He's far from a bad QB, it's just that he didn't get his nickname "Lord Favre" without reason

And he's proven to be eminently marketable,even more so that PManning (jmo tho).

His back-and-forth retiring drama's become a joke even among players,for ex. Rodney's comment and Warner's most recently. He dug that hole himself too,which is unfortunate for him. But regardless of all that, he's still a commodity.

***Deus Irae*** · 02-03-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob0729

And the team was winning on defense. Even his 6 TD game was because the defense caused Warner to turn over the ball 5 times. You look at the games this year even before the last five games when he blames an injury for his poor play and you can only find three, maybe four games where he played well. Favre had a mediocre to average season and continued his ways of making costly mistakes.

Favre had 5 games with a rating over 100, including 3 games in a row, which included the Patriots and Titans, just before his injury, and another game with a rating above 90, over the course of 11 games. He had his team at 8-3, despite coming in late and having to work his way into everything. After hurting his arm, his numbers plummeted, and he had 5 straight games with a passer rating under 62.

If people would stop letting biases get in the way, it would help with analyzing the game.

Patsfanin Philly · 02-03-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by FirstAndGoal

The original statement doesn't make sense. If Favre retires and decides to come back, the Jets own the rights to Favre. The only way the above could happen is if the Jets released Favre. If Favre comes out of retirement, the Jets can trade him to anyone they want or keep him.

IIRC part of the trade from GB to the Jets was to prevent any straw man transactions or hanky panky subsequent trades to prevent Brett from ending up in the NFC North so a provision was put in there that if he played for either Det, Minn or Chi in '08 or '09, the Jets owed the Packers 3 first rounders. That gave the Jets an incentive to keep him or trade to someone who would (if the Jets f.o. were smart) accept that provision on themselves if he ended up at one of those teams. If it's enforceable and actually in the contract, the Jets can't simply release him without putting their future drafts at risk...

FirstAndGoal · 02-03-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunnails

I wonder what Chad Pennington plans on doing next season?

As far as the Jets giving up 3 1st round picks, I don't think that is still part of the trade deal with the packers being that it is now year 2 of the deal, I could of course be wrong.

I would of thought that Brett would of had surgery to repair the detached muscle in his shoulder if he wanted to come back.

Even if it was, it is only the Vikings. You could trade him to any other team. It's a non-issue IMHO. The Vikings would be putting all their money on a lottery ticket.

Gunnails · 02-03-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Patsfanin Philly

IIRC part of the trade from GB to the Jets was to prevent any straw man transactions or hanky panky subsequent trades to prevent Brett from ending up in the NFC North so a provision was put in there that if he played for either Det, Minn or Chi in '08 or '09, the Jets owed the Packers 3 first rounders. That gave the Jets an incentive to keep him or trade to someone who would (if the Jets f.o. were smart) accept that provision on themselves if he ended up at one of those teams. If it's enforceable and actually in the contract, the Jets can't simply release him without putting their future drafts at risk...

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Link?

As far as I know the terms of the trade were not made public, all we can do is speculate. I speculate that the Jets can cut Favre without the loss of any draft picks.

***ctpatsfan77*** · 02-03-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunnails

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As far as I know the terms of the trade were not made public, all we can do is speculate. I speculate that the Jets can cut Favre without the loss of any draft picks.

No one is saying that cutting Favre will immediately cost the JEST picks. What people are arguing is that the Packers--both knowing that Favre had requested "If I can't play for you, let me play against you", and not wanting to do so--designed the contract such that the JEST would take on the responsibility of making sure that didn't happen.

Gunnails · 02-03-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ctpatsfan77

No one is saying that cutting Favre will immediately cost the JEST picks. What people are arguing is that the Packers--both knowing that Favre had requested "If I can't play for you, let me play against you", and not wanting to do so--designed the contract such that the JEST would take on the responsibility of making sure that didn't happen.

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I won't argue with that.

Metaphors · 02-03-2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Favre had 5 games with a rating over 100, including 3 games in a row, which included the Patriots and Titans, just before his injury, and another game with a rating above 90, over the course of 11 games. He had his team at 8-3, despite coming in late and having to work his way into everything. After hurting his arm, his numbers plummeted, and he had 5 straight games with a passer rating under 62.

If people would stop letting biases get in the way, it would help with analyzing the game.

In the Jets' defense, who could have ever predicted that a 39 yo QB would have arm issues late in a season that would affect his performance?

Just because after he turned 35 and turned in back-to-back years of low 70 ratings, low TD, high int, career low YPA...and then followed that up with a single year of solid stats...who could have expected that he would throw up a low 80 rating, low TD, high int, low YPA year with the Jets?

And now who would ever have imagined that he would waffle on retirement, hold the Jets hostage and prevent them from moving forward with preparing for the 2009 season?

Some things just come out of nowhere without any warning or explanation...

ScottieC · 02-03-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Patsfanin Philly

IIRC part of the trade from GB to the Jets was to prevent any straw man transactions or hanky panky subsequent trades to prevent Brett from ending up in the NFC North so a provision was put in there that if he played for either Det, Minn or Chi in '08 or '09, the Jets owed the Packers 3 first rounders. That gave the Jets an incentive to keep him or trade to someone who would (if the Jets f.o. were smart) accept that provision on themselves if he ended up at one of those teams. If it's enforceable and actually in the contract, the Jets can't simply release him without putting their future drafts at risk...

No, They can release him - They just can't trade his sorry ass.