The Pioli to leave rumors gaining momentum - New England Patriots Forums

***Rob0729*** · 12-26-2008, 09:52 AM

From Profootball Weekly:

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Prospect of running another club growing on Pioli

Word we’re hearing out of Foxborough is that V.P. of player personnel Scott Pioli could be nearing the end of his distinguished tenure atop the Patriots’ personnel department. In his nine seasons with the club, New England has enjoyed staggering success in an era ruled by parity, winning the AFC East six times and bagging a trio of Super Bowl titles. So why would the 43-year-old Pioli, revered as one of the top personnel chiefs in the NFL in a seemingly ideal position, want to leave? For one thing, Pioli has failed to earn the respect he deserves for helping to build the Patriots into the NFL’s most consistent winner, and those close to the team say he’s finally ripe for departure.

Factoring into his thinking is the fact that Pioli's understudy Thomas Dimitroff has had such tremendous success in his first season in Atlanta that it has made the prospects of calling his own shots more attractive than ever. Should Pioli decide to leave, there should be a host of clubs willing to obtain his services in a general managerial or presidential capacity. The Chiefs have an opening for the top position following the resignation of Carl Peterson, and Kansas City could offer the type of all-encompassing powers that he likely would require to leave Foxborough. On the other hand, Detroit may be a tougher sell given the possibility that the Lions will be reluctant to give so much power to one man.

If Pioli does scratch his itch, he won’t have to look far to find two of the men with which he’ll build his franchise around. In Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and QB Matt Cassel — set to be a free agent after the season — two of the league’s most promising young figures in their respective posts are already under Pioli’s watch. Both are said to have a strong relationship with him. What would amount to a de facto package deal for the three men easily could come to fruition if a franchise is open to staffing the trio.

Should Pioli leave, he’d leave the Pats without an obvious successor, perhaps prompting them to look outside the organization for a replacement. We hear that it’s unlikely Bill Belichick would assume a joint coach-GM role, even though he has experience in a similar role from his frequent collaborations with Pioli.

The Way We Hear It - NFL pro football rumors and insider news from Pro Football Weekly

Granted we heard the same rumors about Belichick prior to last year. We know how much Belichick's supposive desire to leave and start from scratch again because coaching the Patriots was no longer a challege was actually true. It seems that since it is obviously clear that Belichick has no intention to leave the Pats any time soon, the media may have decided to turn their attention to Pioli and him leaving.

I do love that this article says that Pioli wants to leave because he doesn't get the credit he deserves, yet the media have been fawning all over him ever since these rumors started to pop up. So apparently the media treating him like a genius who would be a steal for any organization who would get him isn't giving him credit.

Pioli may very well have decided it is time to explore new opportunities. His previous actions say otherwise. But I think the logic behind some of the rumors is comical. Pioli gets tons of credit for what he does. How exactly does a two time Executive of the Year and one of the few Player Personnel Guys/GMs in the league with universal national recognition not get the respect he deserves?

signbabybrady · 12-26-2008, 09:57 AM

I would have liked him to elaborate further into his source on this comment.

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"those close to the team say he’s finally ripe for departure."

Who are those close to the team?

Reporters close or actual inside Patriot sources?

This seems to me, without knowing who the source is, just another piece of rumor mongoring around the idea that Peoli would be the top GM candidate if he ever wanted his own ship to run. But it is nice to see him get his credit. Funny the article says he would leave because he never gets credit when that is exactly what the article does, it gives him his credit by saying he deserves his own ship.

livinginthe past · 12-26-2008, 10:00 AM

This reads like a PFT ,and not a PFW, article.

If Pioli decides to move on (and he might) I doubt very much whether he'll resort to dropping silly little 'disrespected' rumors to the gossip grape vine.

He could have pretty much whatever job he wants at the level he chooses.

'Sources close to the team' is probably another disgruntled herald reporter with an axe to grind.

Funny how this little gem appears right before our biggest weekend of the season so far.

RayClay · 12-26-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by signbabybrady

I would have liked him to elaborate further into his source on this comment.

Who are those close to the team?

Reporters close or actual inside Patriot sources?

This seems to me, without knowing who the source is, just another piece of rumor mongoring around the idea that Peoli would be the top GM candidate if he ever wanted his own ship to run. But it is nice to see him get his credit. Funny the article says he would leave because he never gets credit when that is exactly what the article does, it gives him his credit by saying he deserves his own ship.

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Word we’re hearing out of Foxborough...

They're hearing things

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Factoring into his thinking is the fact that Pioli's understudy Thomas Dimitroff has had such tremendous success in his first season in Atlanta

And they're reading his mind.

If you had those kinds of powers, would you wait for a source?

SVN · 12-26-2008, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob0729

From Profootball Weekly:

The Way We Hear It - NFL pro football rumors and insider news from Pro Football Weekly

Granted we heard the same rumors about Belichick prior to last year. We know how much Belichick's supposive desire to leave and start from scratch again because coaching the Patriots was no longer a challege was actually true. It seems that since it is obviously clear that Belichick has no intention to leave the Pats any time soon, the media may have decided to turn their attention to Pioli and him leaving.

I do love that this article says that Pioli wants to leave because he doesn't get the credit he deserves, yet the media have been fawning all over him ever since these rumors started to pop up. So apparently the media treating him like a genius who would be a steal for any organization who would get him isn't giving him credit.

Pioli may very well have decided it is time to explore new opportunities. His previous actions say otherwise. But I think the logic behind some of the rumors is comical. Pioli gets tons of credit for what he does. How exactly does a two time Executive of the Year and one of the few Player Personnel Guys/GMs in the league with universal national recognition not get the respect he deserves?

not to mention if he does leave , everyone will start asking , can BB win without pioli.
IMO pioli could leave but i doubt he wants to go and rebuild just because he wants to satisfy his ego.Especially if doesnt know who the coach he will hire.All the news outlets can speculate who the next coach can be but GM's are hard to figure out so they come up with the same names every yr.

signbabybrady · 12-26-2008, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by RayClay

They're hearing things

And they're reading his mind.

If you had those kinds of powers, would you wait for a source?

better yet they may just be using the old Jedi Mind trick to make Pioli do what they want.

You know waive the hand and say "move along"

JoeSixPat · 12-26-2008, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob0729

From Profootball Weekly:

The Way We Hear It - NFL pro football rumors and insider news from Pro Football Weekly

Granted we heard the same rumors about Belichick prior to last year. We know how much Belichick's supposive desire to leave and start from scratch again because coaching the Patriots was no longer a challege was actually true. It seems that since it is obviously clear that Belichick has no intention to leave the Pats any time soon, the media may have decided to turn their attention to Pioli and him leaving.

I do love that this article says that Pioli wants to leave because he doesn't get the credit he deserves, yet the media have been fawning all over him ever since these rumors started to pop up. So apparently the media treating him like a genius who would be a steal for any organization who would get him isn't giving him credit.

Pioli may very well have decided it is time to explore new opportunities. His previous actions say otherwise. But I think the logic behind some of the rumors is comical. Pioli gets tons of credit for what he does. How exactly does a two time Executive of the Year and one of the few Player Personnel Guys/GMs in the league with universal national recognition not get the respect he deserves?

I see nothing in the article indicating that Pioli actually feels he's disresepected and needs to stretch his wings.

He's had chances to leave before and has not, indicating through his actions that he's not insecure about how he's perceived.

Those in the football world - presumably the ones that Pioli would be concerned about "impressing" understand perfectly that a GM and coach need to be on the same page and share the same football philosophy. That's what Pioli has proven here and there's no reason for him to need to look further.

If there was any truth to this sort of rumor you'd see some anonymous source cited. There is none - its just pure speculation of a potential psychology of why Pioli WOULD leave - but not a citation that he's actually thinking of leaving.

j00fek · 12-26-2008, 11:24 AM

another end of the season rumor mill, ill believe it what it happens...

***mgteich*** · 12-26-2008, 11:32 AM

Only an idiot doesn't consider his options. To think that Pioli isn't considering leaving is riduculous. However, we don't knowm his personal priorities. Kraft can offer more than others to Pioli as an executive in corporate America. But these opportunities don't involve football full-time, or even near full-time.

Pioli can decide to stay as long as Belichick, or as long as Brady stays. Or may decide to say for as long as the Kraft's own the franchise. But make no mistake, Pioli is not growing in his job and the challenges at the patriots do not demand someone as good as Pioli. Pioli can continue to watch his assistants go off and turn around franchises, and also see his father-in-law do so. He has do decide what he wants for himself and his family.

To put in another way, Pioli is a superstar that isn't utilized anywhere near as much as he would be used elsewhere (e.g KC).

Finally, this is a special time to consider. He can leave and take Josh with him, and probably Cassel also (if Cassel want it, if not in 2009, then in in 2010).

***DaBruinz*** · 12-26-2008, 11:34 AM

I remember people saying the exact same thing a couple years ago when the Giants job was going to be up for grabs.. Pioli just laughed and, at one point, asked one of the reporters where they get their information because it wasn't coming from the horses mouth...

12-26-2008, 10:00 AM	#3
livinginthe past Practice Squad Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 471	Re: The Pioli to leave rumors gaining momentum This reads like a PFT ,and not a PFW, article. If Pioli decides to move on (and he might) I doubt very much whether he'll resort to dropping silly little 'disrespected' rumors to the gossip grape vine. He could have pretty much whatever job he wants at the level he chooses. 'Sources close to the team' is probably another disgruntled herald reporter with an axe to grind. Funny how this little gem appears right before our biggest weekend of the season so far. Last edited by livinginthe past; 12-26-2008 at 10:01 AM.

12-26-2008, 11:24 AM	#8
j00fek Practice Squad Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 311	Re: The Pioli to leave rumors gaining momentum another end of the season rumor mill, ill believe it what it happens...

12-26-2008, 11:32 AM	#9
*mgteich* Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 10,271	Re: The Pioli to leave rumors gaining momentum Only an idiot doesn't consider his options. To think that Pioli isn't considering leaving is riduculous. However, we don't knowm his personal priorities. Kraft can offer more than others to Pioli as an executive in corporate America. But these opportunities don't involve football full-time, or even near full-time. Pioli can decide to stay as long as Belichick, or as long as Brady stays. Or may decide to say for as long as the Kraft's own the franchise. But make no mistake, Pioli is not growing in his job and the challenges at the patriots do not demand someone as good as Pioli. Pioli can continue to watch his assistants go off and turn around franchises, and also see his father-in-law do so. He has do decide what he wants for himself and his family. To put in another way, Pioli is a superstar that isn't utilized anywhere near as much as he would be used elsewhere (e.g KC). Finally, this is a special time to consider. He can leave and take Josh with him, and probably Cassel also (if Cassel want it, if not in 2009, then in in 2010).

12-26-2008, 11:34 AM	#10
*DaBruinz* Is Sizzlin Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Plano, TX (by way of Salem,NH) Posts: 14,421	Re: The Pioli to leave rumors gaining momentum I remember people saying the exact same thing a couple years ago when the Giants job was going to be up for grabs.. Pioli just laughed and, at one point, asked one of the reporters where they get their information because it wasn't coming from the horses mouth...

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