How much does Moss' presence help Welker? - Page 2 - New England Patriots Forums

Lifer · 12-08-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BPF

There is another thread on this, my thoughts: http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-...ml#post1198334

wait, they'll be 2 more within an hour.

***Leave No Doubt*** · 12-08-2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeSixPat

Maybe I'm alone but if I'm a DC going up against the Patriots, noting that Cassel has had limited success finding Moss with the deep ball, I'm going to take some chances and go for a zone or single coverage on Moss.

I seem to be seeing that more this year than I did last year with Moss taking consistent double and even some triple coverage at times that Brady was trying (often successfully) to force a pass to Moss.

Recognizing that the middle of the field is by nature, crowded, I see Welker making catches amid much more traffic this season - and I have to think it the coverage placed on Welker can't be too much more tighter than it is (though he still is making his plays)

Welker's been getting more and more attention imo, last year as well but it's been increasing each week. It's no secret Cassel's been able to hit Wes more often than not-they developed well almost from the beginning.

Anyway I do think the Moss situation has forced us into Kevin and Wes big time and both have more than lived up to what they had to do. Wes has been getting nailed lately; I have no idea what's up with Randy but for whatever reason he's having more difficulty with his double coverage this year than he did last year. If that issue would somehow work itself out it would be a HUGE plus for us.

DocE · 12-08-2008, 06:02 PM

Moss's presence is HUGE for Welker. Welker gets a ton of open opportunities because there is 2 (or more) players focused on Randy Moss. The slip screen works so well at times in part because Moss is on the opposite side of the field and the Pats overload the side to which the screen is going. In that sitiuation the defense has a safety and a CB to Moss's side, leaving them one short to the screen side.

It would be nice if Cassel could actually hit the deep ball (missed another wide open opportunity on Sunday). If Moss had another 5-6 TD's for 200 plus yards that he has every right to have, he wouldn't draw so much unnecessary criticisim.

I don't think teams will start daring Cassel to go deep by single covering Moss often though. Teams still would rather take their chances that Cassel can methodically move the ball down the field rather than giving him a chance to get a TD with just one throw.

One more point in the Seattle game, the Seahawks had their best CB in Trufant on Moss along with safety help over the top. On T.O.'s touchdown against Seattle the following week he was matched up one on one in the slot with....LB Julian Peterson.

captain stone · 12-09-2008, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeSixPat

We're all constantly amazed and impressed with Welker's ability to make tough catches, pop up after a nasty hit etc... some have noted that Welker benefits from Moss' deep presence, effectively opening things up in the middle for him.

I'm wondering whether people feel that's true. I'd say it was definitely true last year, with Moss potentially over-used and so many passes going his way. This season I think DC's have noted that Moss and Cassel are not nearly as dangerous as Moss and Brady were - and I've seen Moss with more single coverage situations this season as a result, meaning that Moss might not be drawing as much coverage off of Welker as he was last year.

Yet Welker continues to deliver and have very big games, amid some very heavy coverage.

While I think we'd still need to have a credible deep threat WR on the field, my feeling is that Welker is enough of a talent to get himself open even without Moss on the field.

I guess I'm saying that this season, it seems like Welker's getting more of the Defensive attention than Moss is. Anyone feel the same? Other insights that they care to provide?

I completely agree with you. In fact, if the Football Gods (damn them for giving the Mannings the last 2 SBs) told me that I could have only one of Moss or Welker and gain the cap relief of the lost one's salary, then I would choose to keep Welker every time - and twice on Sundays.