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Old 12-03-2008, 12:35 PM   #41
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Sorry if this is a dumb question but who reviews the film once it's submitted to the league? I'm sure Rojets Goodell has the final say and all, but who actually makes the initial recomendations? And, godhelpus, does anyone look back and see how they've ruled on previous hits, just for the sake of comparison/consistency? Mind blowing how seemingly subjective and inconsistent the league is allowed to be
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Old 12-03-2008, 12:41 PM   #42
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I was on a blog that is not a NE fan sight.
Blogger states in an entry along with youtube clip of the hit that it wasn't even a penalty. I wrote in the comments section that it was not only a penalty but a $15,000 fine would be appropriate.
The thread was already a day a 2 old so I didn't get too many replies but the consensus for this blog, which has fans from all over the country, was that it was a clean hit.
I don't know. I still say that the linebacker put his head down before the ball even arrived and Wes was pretty much defenseless as he was not bracing himself for anything like that.
I still think he should have been fined. Judging how the NFL loves to bust NE's balls about seemingly lesser transgressions all the time.
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Leaping is when you leap frog the lineman in front of you in order to block a field goal. It has nothing to do with tackling.

As for this hit. Yes, it should have been fined. There was nothing "clean" about it. Welker didn't have a play on the ball. You can't just level opposing players just because the ball is tipped.
thansk, i did find that out after doing some more research on the matter . . .
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Leaping is when you leap frog the lineman in front of you in order to block a field goal. It has nothing to do with tackling.

As for this hit. Yes, it should have been fined. There was nothing "clean" about it. Welker didn't have a play on the ball. You can't just level opposing players just because the ball is tipped.
You are correct. Clark jumped at him and led with his shoulder arms in. There was no tackling technique there. Now if the ball wasn't tipped, i guarantee Clark would of at least opened his arms and tried to wrap him up. He instead left his feet after the ball was tipped and the play was all but dead.
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Does anyone have the video of Thomas's fined late hit?
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Two things I learned:

#1 Even though the refs that work under Pereira think launching is a penalty, their boss doesn't think so.

#2 Even though Goodell issued a memo about hitting defenseless receivers this season, his flunkie Pereira ignores the memos.

This is the same thing that happened last year with Spygate. Goodell issues a memo, the league officers such as Steve Alic said, "That's football," when presented with evidence of teams stealing signals off illegal tape.

Belichick thought, "Oh, so this is just a memo that we can ignore since there's no rule in the rulebook."

Clearly, the NFL is setting someone up here, since they probably expect Belichick to tell his players to hit receivers hard as long as the football hasn't hit the ground.
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What don't YOU and Pereira get about a DEFENSELESS RECEIVER period? What don't you two get about the fact that players have been penalized and FINED for "LAUNCHING" for years.

What Pereira "thinks" and what is reality are two different things. And he proved that on the BS call on Ellis Hobbs against Reggie Wayne when Pereira said that Hobbs hit Wayne, when, in reality, Hobbs never touched Wayne.
Hey, don't get me wrong, I thought the hit was unnecessary, but by strict interpretation, looked like a legal hit. I contend the guy could have backed off, but the play was close enough that the NFL could not reasonably fault him for following through.

Stop whining about that game. Pats have won squat fair and square, and you are going to rail about that? Be happy with the 3 in 4 and be quiet
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Hey, don't get me wrong, I thought the hit was unnecessary, but by strict interpretation, looked like a legal hit. I contend the guy could have backed off, but the play was close enough that the NFL could not reasonably fault him for following through.

Stop whining about that game. Pats have won squat fair and square, and you are going to rail about that? Be happy with the 3 in 4 and be quiet
I personally don't care that the man didn't get fined, although I do think the uneven application of the fining system is yet another aspect of the CBA that the players' union should be adamant about fixing. However, the hit was illegal by both definition and the interpretation given during training camp. Also, most people aren't whining about the game except to say that the Patriots stunk in the second half. As a final note, there are multiple Colts boards available to you if you don't like it around here.
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Two things I learned:

#1 Even though the refs that work under Pereira think launching is a penalty, their boss doesn't think so.

#2 Even though Goodell issued a memo about hitting defenseless receivers this season, his flunkie Pereira ignores the memos.

This is the same thing that happened last year with Spygate. Goodell issues a memo, the league officers such as Steve Alic said, "That's football," when presented with evidence of teams stealing signals off illegal tape.

Belichick thought, "Oh, so this is just a memo that we can ignore since there's no rule in the rulebook."

Clearly, the NFL is setting someone up here, since they probably expect Belichick to tell his players to hit receivers hard as long as the football hasn't hit the ground.

heh.........talk about flying off the handle

“A lot of people think it’s a foul to leave your feet,” Pereira said. “Launching is not a foul. There is nothing in the rulebook that states that at all. It’s a misconception people have.

so unless you can find something in a rule book, you are incorrect in your assessment
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Honestly, I don't know what everyone seems to be seeing in this hit. Is it because Welker got popped hard? You need to set your bias aside for a second. In real time, Clark was seeing the ball coming to Welker, and was going to hit him. He was already going towards him, already ready to make a play.

The ball got just before it got to Welker and Clark was already making his move to make the play. You can complain and watch microsecond replays all you want, but in real time there is no way Clark could have avoided making the hit. He made a great play and shouldn't have been penalized, and rightfully wasn't fined.

If Harrison makes that same exact play, you guys know without a doubt how up in arms this forum would be over him being penalized for doing it. Slow motion Instant replays seem to be affecting our views in a bad, bad way.
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