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Old 11-14-2008, 08:00 AM   #1
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Maybe a 1-2 year contract then trade him before the second year is out. I think the team can get some decent picks for him. Extend now!!
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Old 11-14-2008, 08:05 AM   #2
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Sorry, Cassel is playing his way to a well-deserved big-money contract next year. I thought there was a chance of keeping him before last night but he took over the game like an NFL QB should. I will always be proud of his contribution to the '08 Pats, playoffs or no.
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Maybe a 1-2 year contract then trade him before the second year is out. I think the team can get some decent picks for him. Extend now!!
Why would Cassel do this? He and his agent know that there are at least 2 teams that will be looking for a starting QB to transition over to a draftee this year. And they are both NFC teams. One is Minnesota. The other is Detroit. The Seahawks may also be in the running considering Hasselbeck's age and injury history. The 49ers may also be looking for a QB since it would seem that Alex Smith is on the Outs there. The Titans may also be looking for one since Vince Young can't stay committed to football and Collins isn't getting younger. Houston may be looking for someone to replace Schaub since he's not proving to be durable. And, I hate to say this, but the Jets may ALSO be looking for a QB since there is no guarantee that Favre will be back.
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Cassel won't do this. Its just one of those situations for us where he will walk and cash in big time and the team won't get anything from him once the season is over. Its all about timing and because this is happening in his last year rather than a year ago, it works for him but not so much for us. Too bad because if it was last year that this happened, we'd probably get a couple of 2 or maybe a 1 from someone desperate.
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Old 11-14-2008, 08:20 AM   #5
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It's true that Cassell might have other ideas, but it would be nice if we can extend him quickly before he becomes a real stud!

But even if we do lose him to a big contract somewhere else, we won't end up emptyhanded. There might be a 3rd round compensatory pick the following year.
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The way he played last nite, the idea of franchise and tag isn't looking so absurd. He's gotten better every week, and while he still has a lot to work on, he has the most important traits of a good QB - decision making and mental toughness.

I know the transition tag is considered useless, but it wouldn't be the worst thing here. If we transition tagged him with a contract that was somewhat beyond what we truly would want to pay him but nothing outrageous, it would at least guarantee that clubs that were interested would have to sign him to that level of contract, and thus guarantee we'd get a good comp pick the ensuing year.

EDIT: Yup, not how transition tag works, see below...

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The way he played last nite, the idea of franchise and tag isn't looking so absurd. He's gotten better every week, and while he still has a lot to work on, he has the most important traits of a good QB - decision making and mental toughness.

I know the transition tag is considered useless, but it wouldn't be the worst thing here. If we transition tagged him with a contract that was somewhat beyond what we truly would want to pay him but nothing outrageous, it would at least guarantee that clubs that were interested would have to sign him to that level of contract, and thus guarantee we'd get a good comp pick the ensuing year.
So, because of 1 game, you now think that Cassel is worth 14.6 million on a 1 year deal? I am fairly certain that neither BB nor Pioli believe this.

I think you are confused about the transition tag. There is no contract offer from the Patriots involved in the transition tag. All the transition tag does is give the Patriots the right of 1st refusal on any contract offers that Cassel gets. In other words, it gives the Pats the right to match that contract and nothing more. And the only thing it guarantees is that the Pats would get some sort of compensatory pick in 2010 IF the Pats didn't sign someone of a similar pay grade.
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So, because of 1 game, you now think that Cassel is worth 14.6 million on a 1 year deal? I am fairly certain that neither BB nor Pioli believe this.

I think you are confused about the transition tag. There is no contract offer from the Patriots involved in the transition tag. All the transition tag does is give the Patriots the right of 1st refusal on any contract offers that Cassel gets. In other words, it gives the Pats the right to match that contract and nothing more. And the only thing it guarantees is that the Pats would get some sort of compensatory pick in 2010 IF the Pats didn't sign someone of a similar pay grade.
Not quite. More accurately, "if the Pats have a net loss of quality free agents, AND didn't sign someone of a similar pay grade." If Cassel were the Pats' only loss, and they signed even one semi-decent FA, they'd get nothing for Cassel, except maybe a 7th for a net loss of talent.
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Not quite. More accurately, "if the Pats have a net loss of quality free agents, AND didn't sign someone of a similar pay grade." If Cassel were the Pats' only loss, and they signed even one semi-decent FA, they'd get nothing for Cassel, except maybe a 7th for a net loss of talent.

Well, if you are going to get REALLY technical, then its a net loss of QUALIFYING free agents. They signed FAs this year that won't be qualifying.
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So, because of 1 game, you now think that Cassel is worth 14.6 million on a 1 year deal? I am fairly certain that neither BB nor Pioli believe this.

I think you are confused about the transition tag. There is no contract offer from the Patriots involved in the transition tag. All the transition tag does is give the Patriots the right of 1st refusal on any contract offers that Cassel gets. In other words, it gives the Pats the right to match that contract and nothing more. And the only thing it guarantees is that the Pats would get some sort of compensatory pick in 2010 IF the Pats didn't sign someone of a similar pay grade.
Yup, sorry about the transition tag, you're right on that. But, still, the point remains, it would at least guarantee the Pats would be in the running for a comp pick (yes, assuming they don't sign someone of similar pay grade, which I don't think they will).

And its not just one game, Cassel has gotten better each week, and he's been playing at a high level since the St Louis game. I'm just assuming he keeps this level of play up, at which point he will have shown he's decidedly better than at least half of the QBs out there starting. Again, he still wouldn't be worth $14 mill by any stretch, but the tag would be a means to an end.
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