Worst coached game in BB's Patriots tenure?

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Originally Posted by WhiZa

Unless Moss is going to throw a TD to Gostkowski ...

I'd pay $100 just to see that happen for real.

[AFPatsFan12]

Originally Posted by Deus Irae

One day people will realize that someone can make different decisions than they would have and still have those decisions not be wrong, even if they don't pan out.

Sadly, given the gibberish I've seen all over the board ever since the game last night, those people will probably not be Patriots fans.

So did you agree with the coaching staff's decisions last night? Did you agree with going for 2 midway through the third? The 12th man challenge? The third timeout? Arguments can be made either way... Personally, I felt that these were bad decisions, and even had the outcome been different, would still feel that way.

BB is the best coach in the league today, and one of the best of all time. One hiccup by him and his staff doesn't even come close to diminishing that, obviously. But it's not a crime to second guess those decisions, especially given how "non-BB" like they are.

I'm as diehard a Patriots fan as there can be, and I don't think questioning the game management (NOT the gameplan, which was extraordinary) makes me any less so....

[Deus Irae]

Originally Posted by Deus Irae

One day people will realize that someone can make different decisions than they would have and still have those decisions not be wrong, even if they don't pan out.

Sadly, given the gibberish I've seen all over the board ever since the game last night, those people will probably not be Patriots fans.

Originally Posted by AFPatsFan12

So did you agree with the coaching staff's decisions last night? Did you agree with going for 2 midway through the third? The 12th man challenge? The third timeout? Arguments can be made either way... Personally, I felt that these were bad decisions, and even had the outcome been different, would still feel that way.

I'm really not sure where your issue is here. Not one of those decisions was a 'bad' decision. I would have thrown the challenge if I thought the Colts had 12 men on the field, I wouldn't have called the timeout on 4th down, and I didn't like the decision to go for 2.

However, there's a difference between my preferring different actions and my claiming the actions taken were "wrong". Each of the actions you point to in the quoted post have a perfectly reasonable reason behind them, even if I'd have done it differently.

[Nunchucks]

Originally Posted by Deus Irae

I'm really not sure where your issue is here. Not one of those decisions was a 'bad' decision. I would have thrown the challenge if I thought the Colts had 12 men on the field, I wouldn't have called the timeout on 4th down, and I didn't like the decision to go for 2.

However, there's a difference between my preferring different actions and my claiming the actions taken were "wrong". Each of the actions you point to in the quoted post have a perfectly reasonable reason behind them, even if I'd have done it differently.

Except that basic tenets of football...especialy Bill Belichick football:

1) Go for it on 4th and short in the red zone when on the road
2) Don't challenge plays for minimal effect
3) Don't chase points.

[Deus Irae]

Originally Posted by Nunchucks

Except that basic tenets of football...especialy Bill Belichick football:

1) Go for it on 4th and short in the red zone when on the road
2) Don't challenge plays for minimal effect
3) Don't chase points.

Let me put this gently.

You need to realize that those are NOT the basic tenets of football, and they are NOT the basic tenets of Bill Belichick football.

Also, you're wrong on the challenge when you call it minimal, since the difference was 2nd and 10 vs. 1st and 5 in a possession style of game.

[Nunchucks]

Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Let me put this gently.

You need to realize that those are NOT the basic tenets of football, and they are NOT the basic tenets of Bill Belichick football.

Also, you're wrong on the challenge when you call it minimal, since the difference was 2nd and 10 vs. 1st and 5 in a possession style of game.

What is wrong with my list and why is it wrong? I have heard Belichick say the exact things I have listed on numerous occassions throughout the years he has coached this team. Perhaps you aren't paying attention or hear instead your own opinions which appear to change depending on whatever Belichick does or does not do on Sunday.

I have heard Belichick say that he likes to go for it on 4th and 1, in the red zone on the road because it helps take the crowd out of it and its important to get touchdowns over field goals, especially on the road and when playing high powered offenses like the colts

I have heard Belichick talk about why he has challeneged things in the past or why he did not challeng something in the past and he always has talked about the reward vs the risk. Specifically about where on the field the team is, how many yards are at stake and whether points are involved.

As for chasing points, he generally hasn't been one to go for two unless it is required.

Perhaps you should listen more carefully the next time Belichick speaks about these issues. Sure, he gave reasons for why he did all those thing in last nights press conference, but IMO Belichick from two years ago would have biatch slapped Belichick from last nights game.

[Deus Irae]

Originally Posted by Nunchucks

What is wrong with my list and why is it wrong? I have heard Belichick say the exact things I have listed on numerous occassions throughout the years he has coached this team. Perhaps you aren't paying attention or hear instead your own opinions which appear to change depending on whatever Belichick does or does not do on Sunday.

I have heard Belichick say that he likes to go for it on 4th and 1, in the red zone on the road because it helps take the crowd out of it and its important to get touchdowns over field goals, especially on the road and when playing high powered offenses like the colts

I have heard Belichick talk about why he has challeneged things in the past or why he did not challeng something in the past and he always has talked about the reward vs the risk. Specifically about where on the field the team is, how many yards are at stake and whether points are involved.

As for chasing points, he generally hasn't been one to go for two unless it is required.

Perhaps you should listen more carefully the next time Belichick speaks about these issues. Sure, he gave reasons for why he did all those thing in last nights press conference, but IMO Belichick from two years ago would have biatch slapped Belichick from last nights game.

Your arguments make my point. There's a difference between "always" and "sometimes". Of course, you seem to be overlooking other obvious differences, like there being a difference between Cassel and Brady.

[Nunchucks]

Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Your arguments make my point.

I disagree, but aparently I disagree with a lot of things you write. Meh, whatever.

At least you are a pats fan, if you were a Jets fan it would be even more annoying. Homers aren't so bad if they are homers for the team you root for.

[Deus Irae]

Originally Posted by Nunchucks

I disagree, but aparently I disagree with a lot of things you write. Meh, whatever.

At least you are a pats fan, if you were a Jets fan it would be even more annoying. Homers aren't so bad if they are homers for the team you root for.

I'm not a homer, and I'm not playing one at the moment. I simply understand that there is a difference between ALTERNATE strategy and tactics, and WRONG strategy and tactics.

[jgpatriot]

I'm not a homer, and I'm not playing one at the moment. I simply understand that there is a difference between ALTERNATE strategy and tactics, and WRONG strategy and tactics.

If Dungy, Mangini, Herm Edwards, Norv Turner, or any other NFL coaches used these "alternate" strategies, this board would be full of laughter. Still, I would NOT trade BB for any other coach.

It is all semantic, we both disagreed with BB's decisions or "did not preferred his alternate strategies".

Hopefully, BB and the team let this game go quickly and focus on winning a crucial AFCE game.