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View Poll Results: What grade would you give Matt Cassel v. Denver?
A 12 7.69%
A-/B+ 41 26.28%
B 60 38.46%
B-/C+ 21 13.46%
C 18 11.54%
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Old 10-21-2008, 12:44 AM   #31
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That's not the point. An "A" grade means he shined, and I don't think he did. He was just OK from what I saw and isn't responsible for the entire offensive output. Passer rating is the dumbest stat in sports. we ran the ball at will with whatever back we put in the game, I'm not going to give Cassel credit for that.
Of course it's the point, or you wouldn't have brought it up. As for the rest of your post, I assume you're kidding.
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Old 10-21-2008, 12:50 AM   #32
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Of course it's the point, or you wouldn't have brought it up. As for the rest of your post, I assume you're kidding.
No, the overall offensive output isn't the point when grading Cassel's performance. I assume you have nothing to refute the rest of my post which is why you copped out.
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Bly and Bailey didn't play for most of the game. That was a terrible defense playing without two of their best players.
While I agree with your grade of a B-, you must acknowledge that Cassel is at a tremendous experience disadvantage compared to other young quarterbacks. Even without Bly and Bailey, this is still an NFL defense he is facing. It might be one of the worst, but their pass rush was getting through the oline and Cassel still made good decisions. He deserves credit for that.

The touchdown pass to Moss--not the screen--was with Bly in coverage, so it seems your point is at least somewhat moot in that department anyway.
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Old 10-21-2008, 12:52 AM   #34
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B-/C+
I was left feeling he may develop into a serviceable strong back-up. Brad Johnson/ Matt Staub/Jon Kitna level. He has an awfully long way to go, tho, as it is just painfully apparent the game has not slowed down for him yet to the point that he can see beyond his first receiver. He hasn't the foresight to see where is receiver will be unless he is open, which is too late to throw the ball. Looked like Bledsoe in exhibition season.
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While I agree with your grade of a B-, you must acknowledge that Cassel is at a tremendous experience disadvantage compared to other young quarterbacks. Even without Bly and Bailey, this is still an NFL defense he is facing. It might be one of the worst, but their pass rush was getting through the oline and Cassel still made good decisions. He deserves credit for that.

The touchdown pass to Moss--not the screen--was with Bly in coverage, so it seems your point is at least somewhat moot in that department anyway.
This is where different people's interpretation of "grading" comes into play. I graded him according to what you want from a starting QB, not according to expectations of him.

EDIT - and I agree that the Moss TD was the most impressive play, though again, that's a play most average NFL QBs could make.

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B-/C+
I was left feeling he may develop into a serviceable strong back-up. Brad Johnson/ Matt Staub/Jon Kitna level. He has an awfully long way to go, tho, as it is just painfully apparent the game has not slowed down for him yet to the point that he can see beyond his first receiver. He hasn't the foresight to see where is receiver will be unless he is open, which is too late to throw the ball. Looked like Bledsoe in exhibition season.
B-/C+ for me too...the main thing was Cassel DID NOT have to win the game for the Patriots...if the defense could play like this for the rest of the season...the team will be in good shape...

Also...wow...this was the first time I did not blame Cassel for those sacks...wassup with the weak oline play?
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No, the overall offensive output isn't the point when grading Cassel's performance. I assume you have nothing to refute the rest of my post which is why you copped out.
I didn't cop out. The rest of your post was ridiculous, so I assumed it was a joke. You don't give him credit because the running game was working? And, the point WAS, according to you, the number of yards. It was the very first thing you pointed to in your response. The man did exactly what he's supposed to do.
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For a guy making his fifth full NFL start, I thought he did well above average. I gave him a B.

Still, the offensive line got exposed in the Super Bowl and this year it's been absolutely destroyed. For a line with that many Pro Bowlers, the quarterback hits the turf too much. I'd love to see what Cassel could do given just one extra second on each of his dropbacks.

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I didn't cop out. The rest of your post was ridiculous, so I assumed it was a joke. You don't give him credit because the running game was working? And, the point WAS, according to you, the number of yards. It was the very first thing you pointed to in your response. The man did exactly what he's supposed to do.
which part was ridiculous, exactly? You do realize that the "you disagree with me therefore you're stupid" style of posting you love is wearing thin right? I mean, most intelligent people formulate arguments and back them up with facts without just resorting to useless hyperbole.

For the last time, I don't give Cassel too much credit because the Pats scored 40 points against a terrible, injury-ridden defense by mostly running the ball. If you think my grade of a B- is "ridiculous" then congrats, you're homerism is off the charts.
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This is where different people's interpretation of "grading" comes into play. I graded him according to what you want from a starting QB, not according to expectations of him.

EDIT - and I agree that the Moss TD was the most impressive play, though again, that's a play most average NFL QBs could make.
I looked at what I expected from him what I wanted and took in to account what he is (a 3rd year rookie).

I expected him to managed the offense
have his high completion of passes
reduce mistakes
improve his reads

what I wanted was;
manage the offense well.
drive downfield
make good reads
and but 2 td's on the board
get the ball out quick enough to avoid sack


I think managed the game well while the team dove downfield his reads were not that great. He did improve his reads like the moss jumper. and all in all he reduced his mistakes. He didn't get the ball out quickly so didn't avoid the sacks. I didn't tuck and run any where near as much.
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