What ever happend to in BILL we trust? - New England Patriots Forums

mesoslo · 09-08-2008, 11:13 PM

The patriots only became a juggernaut offense team last year with moss and brady connecting and breaking a records

before last year, the patriots was a defense that bend but dont break, led by a poise field general tom brady and a master mind coach BB.

Now with cassel and BB the patriots might not get into the playoffs??

no way!

PATRIOT64 · 09-08-2008, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mesoslo

The patriots only became a juggernaut offense team last year with moss and brady connecting and breaking a records

before last year, the patriots was a defense that bend but dont break, led by a poise field general tom brady and a master mind coach BB.

Now with cassel and BB the patriots might not get into the playoffs??

no way!

Belichick had never been successful as a HC without Brady at the helm so how can there not be any questions about whether the Pats make the playoffs or not?

This year should prove whether Brady was very important to BBs successful championship teams and team of the decade or whether BB is just that damn good and can do it without him
- If the team struggles and misses the playoffs, people will question things that BB could not be where he is today without Brady directing his offense,trust me it may happen

mesoslo · 09-08-2008, 11:22 PM

What if the patriots had peyton manning or phillip rivers, or eli manning. Do you think BB can win with those guys?

and BB also has moss and welker, a moss that came up with 50 TD catches last year.

SVN · 09-08-2008, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PATRIOT64

Belichick had never been successful as a HC without Brady at the helm so how can there not be any questions about whether the Pats make the playoffs or not?

This year should prove whether Brady was very important to BBs successful championship teams and team of the decade or whether BB is just that damn good and can do it without him
- If the team struggles and misses the playoffs, people will question things that BB could not be where he is today without Brady directing his offense,trust me it may happen

i wont be one of the people who question it .borges and felger may. people never question how walsh and knoll would be without montana and bradshaw .
every coach needs a QB.

Patriot_in_NY · 09-08-2008, 11:32 PM

He'll have to work harder. I will say that one thing might work in our favor. No one knows what to expect from Cassel. He's a little different then Tom, so they can use him differently. That will take some adjusting. He's certainly more mobile, and that's not really anything we've had here. If he moves around at all, that'll be a very different look teams will be seeing.

GuyClinch · 09-08-2008, 11:39 PM

I think the problem lies in Matt Cassell. If we had Brady Quinn or a Derek Anderson backing up Tom Brady then sure..

But many fans suspect the drop off is rather large between Brady and Cassell..as in if he was released no one would pick him up. It's like trying to win a season with Rohan Davey (wasn't he the #2 guy for a while)..

BB is a great coach but you still need the horses. Everyone thought Doc Rivers sucked till he got Kevin Garnettt. Is Cassell a horse or pony? I don't really know..

Pete

PATRIOT64 · 09-08-2008, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SVN

i wont be one of the people who question it .borges and felger may. people never question how walsh and knoll would be without montana and bradshaw .
every coach needs a QB.

I will question it till I see how BB manages this teams season without his star QB - We know BB always has a defense to be pretty good - now is THE test of his offense

As for Walsh and Knoll we will never know

One guy that stands out for me and who I still think is one of the best of all times is Joe Gibbs

Gibbs in his prime,won Super Bowls with his leading QBs Doug Williams and Mark Ripien - THAT is a great coach who can get a team to dominate with subpar QBs and we shall see what BB does with his new untalented QB since his star is no longer on the roster this year

TheComeback · 09-08-2008, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PATRIOT64

Belichick had never been successful as a HC without Brady at the helm so how can there not be any questions about whether the Pats make the playoffs or not?

You seem to forget that Belichick ran one of the best defenses of all time--the New York Giants of the 80s and early 90s. He had great players, but he also knew what he was doing. It's not an accident that the guy has won so many rings. He took the lowly Browns franchise to the playoffs despite a fanbase that hated him and ownership's threats to move the team out of Cleveland.

He's not a great offensive coach, but McDaniels is an above-average coordinator. Suffice to say, Belichick has proven himself as a leader... with or without Tom Brady.

SVN · 09-09-2008, 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PATRIOT64

I will question it till I see how BB manages this teams season without his star QB - We know BB always has a defense to be pretty good - now is THE test of his offense

As for Walsh and Knoll we will never know

One guy that stands out for me and who I still think is one of the best of all times is Joe Gibbs

Gibbs in his prime,won Super Bowls with his leading QBs Doug Williams and Mark Ripien - THAT is a great coach who can get a team to dominate with subpar QBs and we shall see what BB does with his new untalented QB since his star is no longer on the roster this year

again your example is correct but probably outdated . it was a different time when they ran a few basic plays and ran a lot. what did gibbs do the 2nd time around with brunell and cambell ?
as i posted before...walshś record before montana was drafted was 2-14 and then 6-10 the first then they won the SB. So WE KNOW what walsh was without montana.

DisgruntledTunaFan · 09-09-2008, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SVN

again your example is correct but probably outdated . it was a different time when they ran a few basic plays and ran a lot. what did gibbs do the 2nd time around with brunell and cambell ?
as i posted before...walshś record before montana was drafted was 2-14 and then 6-10 the first then they won the SB. So WE KNOW what walsh was without montana.

Gibbs had numerous OL injuries during his 2nd tenure. IOW-it wasn't the QB problems that undid him.