PATRIOT64

The way he stood in the pocket without dancing around and the way he stood in his own end zone confident and waiting patiently for as long as he could for an open DeVree down field at the 30 and the way he took the team down the field twice with the Eagles knowing he was going to throw every down was very impressive.It shows me there should no longer be a competition for the #2 QB on this team unless BB is so close to Cassel he does not want to upset him or maybe Cassel is some type of leader guy or so well loved in the locker room,otherwise to me its not even close anymore.

Not to mention Gutierrez had that Brady-like presence inside the 10 when the team was getting their final TD on finding Jones right down the center of the end zone with 3 defenders blanketing the WR and throwing the ball low enough to catch it but yet no chance for an interception.

Did you also notice of how the OL seemed to look more confident and somehow showed better awareness when Gutz was in there compared to how they just were getting killed about at the LOS when Cassel was the QB?

If there is no sudden call for a vet QB this week I think this race is over and Gutz is #2 by a mile- - If not, there is simply something wrong with this picture - Gutz deserves the #2 job or he is getting majorly screwed by the team.

I also had some inner confidence that he would lead the team to scores when he was on the field,unlike the gloom and doom I had when Cassel was 'trying' to make a play.

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JSn

I agree 100%. Still, I'm taking cover from the "low-grade O vs. The low-grade D" barrage that is inevitably headed this way.

unoriginal

Anybody know if Brady got any work against the #1s in the 2001 preseason?

g-fresh

I agree Gutierrez looked a lot better than Cassel, but he was not facing the kind of pressure Cassel was. I don't think he went against the Eagles first string defense at all, and the Pat's second and third string offensive line did much better against the Eagles backup defense.

I think you are right, we gain nothing from hanging on to Cassel, but I would have liked to have seen Gutierrez go against the first string D so we could compare apples to apples.

Jimke

Gutierrez may be an unknown quantity but Cassell is not an adequate #2

quarterback.

PATRIOT64

I do believe there were some first stringers still playing when Gutierrez came in but I am not sure - Regardless of that anyways,It sure does seem though that Gutz has that kind of calmness and confidence that Cassel seems to be vacant of - You could see it in thier face just before the ball is snapped and you could see it in their movements in the pocket.

Cassel seems to me at times to almost be expecting to get hit or something bad to happen while Gutz seems to look downfield with nothing in mind but making a big play and not worrying what is happening around where he is standing with the ball - Thats the real difference between the two IMO

Gutz has pocket presence - Cassel has little to none

I think we can all agree that what makes a good QB or at least a guy who is NFL material is a QB who knows when the pressure is moving in but does not refrain from trying to make a big play knowing that waiting that extra second might mean him getting murdered anyways like Manning and Brady do every game but usually find a way to do it,while the guys who are not NFL material are the guys that get ready to crouch to a fetal position to try and avoid getting killed and forget about what may make a big play and just taking the lumps hoping the next down would be better and safer for them.

Have you ever seen Brady or Manning get into a fetal position and give up on plays or just throw it up for grabs to avoid a possible annihilation? - Rarily if ever and that is what makes them special athletes at the position

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DefenseRules

I watched to see how both QBs managed the team. MANAGED is the opperative word here. Look, I don't expect our back up to be Tom Brady. That's impossible. I do expect him to at least be able to move the offense a little. I expect him to make good decisions, and GIVE THE TEAM A FIGHTING CHANCE. Matt Cassel has been out there for three games with the starting Offense and I haven't seen him do that. I want to see how Guitierrez performs against a starting defense before I make up my mind. I've seen Cassel against starting Defenses. The results have been UGLY. Maybe, the Pats would be better off with Veteran as a back up QB, but I don't think that BB wants to go in that direction unless it's absolutely NECESSARY.

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BPF

Except for his propensity to lob some of his throws in the flat and on outs, I like Gutierrez, but he needs to correct that problem. I would like to see him start next week vs the Giants, since I'm guessing Brady doesn't play.

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PATRIOT64

Unless a good veteran QB suddenly becomes available I don't see this team,especially with a complex offensive scheme at times, sign a vet now.

I thought it was possible,even likely the team would look at a vet before the
3rd game but I do not see it now.

Cassel has had 3 games to take his team into the end zone - Cassel is 0 for 15 and that is simply the worst thing a QB can show is inability to take the team into scoring position and Cassel has faced 2nd and 3rd stringers as well and did nothing anyway so its not like he faced starters all the time.

I think Brady sits once again against the G-Men and Gutz starts against NY next week - Then we will see for sure if he can handle the pressure,I will be surprised if Cassel starts in the final game since I think he is a goner anyway.

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BPF

Lombardi thinks we need to get a veteran backup QB.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...e-brunch-news/

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