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Agents: Pats' offer was 'take it or leave it' - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

I'm glad they are taking the high road.

Seems clear to me that what was being communicated to the agents, and what has the actual margin for negotiation differed, at least from what is being said here.

Interesting that they claim an offer was made with the same money and same term length that was rejected. So much for Kraft's comments about how the $2 million wouldn't have been a stumbling block.

Nunchucks

Not that I fully believe Kraft, but you do realize that agents are professional liars.

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Bella*chick

This guy lost me at "their offer". Yesterday you said there wasn't one. Period. I know who I believe more and it isn't you.

I wonder why he keeps on with this... Isn't his client supposed to be all thrilled with his new opportunity in Denver?

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BSR

Nothing in this statement is a "Rebuttal". Kraft came out yesterday to argue the notion that there was never an offer. Now the agent apparently agrees with him. Other than that there is no new information. At least they came out to admit that Dunn lied yesterday.

Gronkandez

Very true.

FWIW, I heard Borges on EEI earlier this week saying Welker never gave the Pats the chance to counter offer the Broncos deal. They asked him how confident he was in his source and he said 100% in a very douchy way.

borg

Sure there is. The take it or leave non negotiating tactic by NE flies completely in the face of Kraft's statement that if WW had come to NE a day earlier, a deal would have been completed. According to Dunn, he approached NE several times ( aka "days earlier" )to see if NE would negotiate pieces of the Patriot presented deal. And each time NE refused. For Kraft to then stand at at the podium after the fact and make definitive statements that NE would have upped the deal flies in the face of the reality.

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voluntarysaftey

What I'd like to know is exactly what Dunn was looking for prior to the first day of free agency.

He's willing to divulge all these details, except the one key piece of information.

If it was the 3/24 that Reiss said, that makes the Patriot's unwillingness to negotiate make complete sense (why bother when there's an astronomical gap).

It also makes what Kraft said accurate (if the gap was only 1m/year they would've closed it)

Although my guess is Dunn is not disclosing it as it would make him look bad


To give both sides the benefit of the doubt; and also responding to borg:

My guess of prior to free agency:
Bill: 2 years, 10 m
Dunn: We're looking for 3/24
Bill: It's 2, 10
Dunn: Any room for negotiation
Bill: No. It is what it is

The above conversation completely makes sense in a vacuum. Both sides unwilling to move off their offer -- and the Patriots standing still as the gap was too big and also Dunn at that point not having any offers to match (you only raise your offer if you have something to fear -- that the player will get a bigger contract in free agency)

If on day 1 of legal tampering this happened:
Dunn: Broncos offered 2, 12. Can you match? If not we'll sign with the Broncos

My guess is Bill would respond with
Bill: Ok, let's sign the paperwork

But instead on day 3 it was
Dunn: We don't have anything else right now, but we still think 3,24 is possible. Can you negotiate?
Bill: No -- you don't have anything else. It is what it is

Then Bill moved on so when they came back and asked to match, it was too late as they'd already committed to Amendola.

Dunn has also not explained why they couldn't have figured out the market value and asked the Patriots to match or part ways during the tampering period. (Not that he owes anyone an explanation but if you're going to blame the other side in the media than you should be giving the entire story or else you'll likely be correctly accused of leaving out context to make yourself look better)
If the Pats were willing to do 2/10+incentives to 2/16; I'd guess that they would've done 2/12 with no incentives

Patriot Missile

Stupid. So basically he wasn't happy with their offer so he spins it off as not an offer at all? Then comes up with the well.....
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Tunescribe

Dunn is a tool. He was hell-bent on cashing in on free agency many months ago regardless of ANYTHING the Pats offered. He misjudged market badly and the Pats were right. Wes didn't realize this 'til it was too late. Had Dunn accepted the Pats' prior very generous offer a year ago before Wes was franchised, they'd be sitting pretty.

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DarrylS

I agree, but find this bantering and interpretation of the bantering tiring...

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