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Old 02-25-2013, 02:00 AM   #91
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I suspect the cost of our secondary would be very low compared to other teams.
So let me get this straight?

We'd add Sean Smith (looking for 10 million+), DRC (about a 6-7 million dollar aav when signed in the next couple/few weeks), AND give McCourty a potentially enormous deal in 2014 too? That right there would be about at least 25 million (AAV), and could be upwards of 26-27 million for the first 3 players. Add in Gregory, Arrington, Dennard, and Wilson and we'd be looking at an easy 31, 32, 33 million dollars, or approx. 25% plus of the salary cap in aav terms.

Are we playing fantasy GM with major league baseball money?

I'm not sure how this wouldn't be considered expensive? When has Bill Belichick ever come close to fielding such a secondary as proposed by this poster? He typically has been known to rate the CB market severly overpriced as it is, and prefers to develop lower cost additions blended in with cheap draft picks. If anything he will pay market price at ONE player. The current market may force him into overpaying at an additional position in the middle tier range of 6-7 million aav, but that's absolutely it...

I have a feeling that many here are going to be disappointed come free agency time if the expectations are going to be anything like this. We may add ONE additional player for a fair market price that we would have given Talib (5-6 million or so aav). The rest will be lower cost additions and/or draft picks.
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Old 02-25-2013, 07:48 AM   #92
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Look at one year's cap at a time.

First, your are not paying Gregory big money other than this year.

Second, I didn't propose adding sixteen million wav to the cap for the secondary, although that amount is not unreasonable. Deal with McCourty's contract when it comes. After all, one of the deals with new players could be a 2 year deal. Consider a Woodson.

I think that it is likely that we spend for one major addition in the secondary to replace Talib (or at safety with McCourty moving back to corner).

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So let me get this straight?

We'd add Sean Smith (looking for 10 million+), DRC (about a 6-7 million dollar aav when signed in the next couple/few weeks), AND give McCourty a potentially enormous deal in 2014 too? That right there would be about at least 25 million (AAV), and could be upwards of 26-27 million for the first 3 players. Add in Gregory, Arrington, Dennard, and Wilson and we'd be looking at an easy 31, 32, 33 million dollars, or approx. 25% plus of the salary cap in aav terms.

Are we playing fantasy GM with major league baseball money?

I'm not sure how this wouldn't be considered expensive? When has Bill Belichick ever come close to fielding such a secondary as proposed by this poster? He typically has been known to rate the CB market severly overpriced as it is, and prefers to develop lower cost additions blended in with cheap draft picks. If anything he will pay market price at ONE player. The current market may force him into overpaying at an additional position in the middle tier range of 6-7 million aav, but that's absolutely it...

I have a feeling that many here are going to be disappointed come free agency time if the expectations are going to be anything like this. We may add ONE additional player for a fair market price that we would have given Talib (5-6 million or so aav). The rest will be lower cost additions and/or draft picks.
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INTs are good for making all-star teams, but it's not an indication of coverage level. McCourty's good stats in 2010 can be linked to the team playing mostly zone -- which is his strength. When the Patriots started playing more man in 2011, his play went down. That's not a coincidence.

A "shutdown" cornerback is a man corner. McCourty is average at that.
McCourty had 17 passes defensed too. He covered some of the best WRs in the league his rookie season. Calvin Johnson comes to mind. I was hopeful that the Pats had finally found their next franchise CB.

They obviously did not.

McCourty should stay at Safety for the 2013 season.
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I say move mccourty back to corner.......

if you sign dashon goldson and/or jarius byrd and/or draft matt elam
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McCourty should stay at Safety for the 2013 season.
Well, at least you've apparently backed away from your ludicrous "McCourty sucks at safety" mantra.
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Well, at least you've apparently backed away from your ludicrous "McCourty sucks at safety" mantra.
Hes on the books for 1 more season and the Safety position is the lesser of 2 evils at this point. Moving McCourty back to CB doesnt help the NE defense get better. The Pats still need a coverage Safety to run things back there.

The Pats should take a wait and see approach with McCourty like they did with Chung. There is no sense of urgency to extend McCourty at this moment because he isnt a must have player.
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