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Pistol Is No Gimmick And Stopping It Will Be A Priority In 2013
By: Steve Balestrieri

It would have been interesting to see how the Patriots opted to defend it the second time around....

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IllegalContact

I think I have the answer to the latest trend.....

I call it the 2-5

basically, its 2 NT's......big ones......wilfork and another fairly mobile 350lb guy

the idea is to controll the 4 gaps with 2 guys....and turn it into a numbers game against the rest of the OL these 2 don't occupy. It would require that the '5' have both strength and speed......3 bigger guys with 2 who can put their hand down or stand up, and 1 who is your prototypical 2-gap 3-4 ILB like mayo.......the last 2 are basically tampa 2 speed guys ... I would like to call them strong LB and free LB.....their purpose is to offset what the QB can do by providing a larger area of coverage for whatever the pistol brings.

NT - 330-350
NT - 330-350

big LB - 270-275
big LB - 270-275
mid LB - 250
speed LB - 235
speed LB - 235

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—Hank Bullough, who installed one of the first 3–4 defenses with the New England Patriots.

Sciz

You basically just described what the Pats did for most of the season, except that they were a little smaller on the DL and quite a bit bigger at LB. I think that even if you have two nose tackles like that, teams will find ways to get blockers on the LBs, and you have too many small linebackers that that would open up holes.

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IllegalContact

its nothing like what the pats did the whole season.....nothing at all......

on any inside run play, there will be an extra body (LB) in the middle......it forces more pressure on the OL to find the bodies to block......

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“ I think good coaches will coach with the personnel they have, and if you only have one (good) linebacker, you’re not going to play a 3–4. ”
—Hank Bullough, who installed one of the first 3–4 defenses with the New England Patriots.

Sciz

Two two-gapping DTs over the guards? Check
Two "DEs" that can either have their hands down to make it a 4-3 or hands up to make it a 2-5? Check
A big LB in the middle? Check
Two faster LBs on the outsides? Check

The only difference is that you think you can get away with much smaller LBs, which I think is a terrible idea that would be exploited by good teams.

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everlong

It's pretty rare to find two guys that large who can be both two gappers and have mobility on the same roster. Sam Adams and Tony Siragusa come to mind and that defense didn't suck and there was Ted Washington with Pat Williams but those are exceptions. Even combos like Henderson and Stroud or Pat and Kevin Williams one of the pair was in the 310 range.

If they were to go after John Jenkins of GA and go 2-5-4 as a base I wouldn't be against it not only against the pistol but in general. That would be a ton of immovable beef in the middle and they could really disguise their scheme.

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betterthanthealternative

This. Having one of these guys is a luxury. It's like good offensive tackles - few teams actually have two of them (there was a good article on this recently). Having two guys who consistently eat up two gaps in the middle is something only one or two teams have in any given year. There are many years when there isn't a combo like that in the league on any team.

mayoclinic

OTG and I were advocating the 2-4-5 and 2-5-4 last Spring. It has a lot of advantages, but it requires two studs in the middle. There are about 4-7 DTs in this draft who have the size, length, strength and athleticism to potentially play that kind of role:

- Star Lotulelei
- Jesse Williams
- Johnathan Hankins
- John Jenkins
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- Sylvester Williams (possibly, though less certain)
- Brandon Williams (has the frame and the athletic ability, may need a bit more time to develop given his small school background)
- William Campbell (has the frame and the ability, but very inconsistent in college)

Almost every mock I've done for the Pats has had one of those guys as a likely target. I don't see guys like Sharrif Floyd or Kawann Short being strong enough to play that role, so I've been less focused on them, though others might prioritize a penetrating DT more.

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IllegalContact

who said anything about faster LB's on the outside? and who are our 'faster' LB's and how fast are they?

you're missing the point completely

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—Hank Bullough, who installed one of the first 3–4 defenses with the New England Patriots.

patriotsdynasty12189

Just stay at home in your gaps, dont over commit to one player, force the running back to get the ball inside and have the outside backers hold the edge down. Sometimes the most advanced offensive play can be stopped by basic fundamentals.

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