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Yeah, because every rookie is clearly a pro-bowl level starter or a bust.
We need another Tackle, and Vollmer was drafted too high. Is he a bad pick? We didn't even need a tackle when Solder was drafted, and he was drafted too high. Was he a bad pick?
Tackle was a need when Solder was picked. Light was on the verge of retirement, Vollmer had ongoing back problems, and the Patriots didn't have any other NFL-caliber tackles on the roster. That's pretty much the definition of need.
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Yeah, because every rookie is clearly a pro-bowl level starter or a bust.
Nope. But thanks for putting words in my mouth. Really takes me back. He could have been a competent starter that didn't ride the pine after getting his chance and the need wouldn't have been there still. As it stands, safety is still a huge need.
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We need another Tackle, and Vollmer was drafted too high. Is he a bad pick? We didn't even need a tackle when Solder was drafted, and he was drafted too high. Was he a bad pick?
Are you trying to compare a depth guy in Cannon with a high round draft pick that brought in high hopes of fixing the safety position? Otherwise, I have no idea where you're going with this poorly written rant. When Vollmer was drafted, RT was a need. His production on the field made it a non-need. When Solder was drafted, LT was going to be a need in a few years. It would have been a huge need this year, but his production on the field in Vollmer's stead made it a non-need. When Gronk and Hernandez were drafted, TE was a need. Their production on the field made it a non-need. You see where I'm going with this?
I'm not going to dog the kid too hard. It was his rookie year and he could possibly improve. But the fact that he was benched for most of the year after getting torched repeatedly and not learning from his mistakes makes the safety position a need going forward. With what we have to work with (one year of production), I would say that it has been a missed draft pick thus far.
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I think it's too early to close the book on Wilson, but I also think that anyone trying to claim he had a good year is going to really have to stretch the definition of the word 'good', because he was awful for a large part of the season. And I agree that having to address the safety position isn't a good sign, but I also think that BB is likely looking for a 3 safety group that are all starter level and above, because I think BB wants to really be able to count on things like the big nickel.
Gregory's not the answer. So, I think BB's looking at his safeties and sees that he's got McCourty and Wilson, and that the team still needs a front line safety even if Wilson pans out nicely. Personally, I saw a player that reminded me far too much of Patrick Chung, but he's still got time to develop, so I'm trying to keep an open mind moving forward.
I can accept that. But it's mostly because you're not vehemently trying to make the case that it was an outstanding pick for a guy that had a good season. From where I'm sitting, and with the limited amount of evidence that I have to work with, I think it was a stretch of a pick that didn't exactly turn in a confidence inspiring season. I'm more than willing to have my mind changed, though.
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I'm not going to dog the kid too hard. It was his rookie year and he could possibly improve. But the fact that he was benched for most of the year after getting torched repeatedly and not learning from his mistakes makes the safety position a need going forward. With what we have to work with (one year of production), I would say that it has been a missed draft pick thus far.
At least Tavon Wilson wasn't a complete flop unlike the New England Patriots 2012 3rd round draft pick.
Dean Wormer: "Mister Bequette. Zero-Point-Zero!"
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At least Tavon Wilson wasn't a complete flop unlike the New England Patriots 2012 3rd round draft pick.
Dean Wormer: "Mister Bequette. Zero-Point-Zero!"
C'mon, man. It's way too early to be writing obituaries for 2012 draftees who are still on the team.
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I can accept that. But it's mostly because you're not vehemently trying to make the case that it was an outstanding pick for a guy that had a good season. From where I'm sitting, and with the limited amount of evidence that I have to work with, I think it was a stretch of a pick that didn't exactly turn in a confidence inspiring season. I'm more than willing to have my mind changed, though.
I would have preferred that they trade up to get Stephen Hill, and I still wish they'd done that. Watching their careers going forward should be pretty interesting for comparing.
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Everyone forgets about the safety equivalent of Dowling - Josh Barrett
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The Patriots have been overachievers the past two years. It doesn't have the talent to compensate for injuries, and it wins so much because it puts in 99% effort in the regular season and plays with terrific schemes to mask its deficiencies.
But in the playoffs a good team at 99% will not beat emotional, talented teams that play at 100%. It's what happened against the Giants in 2011 and the Ravens in 2012.
You want to know how you can tell it was a bad pick? Two ways. One, was he drafted a lot higher than he should have been?
Once again, according to who?
Are you seriously suggesting that the Patriots had Wilson rated as a fifth or sixth round safety and took him much higher than that just for the hell of it?
Or are you trying to say that the Patriots shouldn't be evaluating players for themselves but should go to Draft Countdown or Walter Football instead?
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