BrickPat

Some here are intimating that WW is somehow an anchor in the offense...apparently those posters don't believe their lying eyes on Sundays.

So much is expected of Welker that a disproportinate amount of blame is assigned to him when he Pats lose. Guys as productive and durable aren't a dime a dozen in the NFL. If Welker is demanding a cap choking contract I can see them moving on but short of that they'd be crazy to let him walk.

The fact that WW is not the end all-be all answer on offense does not make him a weakness by default. WW was not the reason the Pats lost to the Ravens although he is becoming the quasi scapegoat it seems. Brady played poorly, the secondary was exploited, the Ravens TE was gashing them, etc but no, WW did not singlehandidly carry the team so he was a big reason they lost because of the drop...it defies logic.

As I posted in another thread it's easy to minimize or dismiss Welker's value and production in the off season until you are reminded actually watching him in games making big plays/YACs and getting up after bone crushing hits. There is an irrefutable and established playmaking chemistry between Brady and Welker that also can't be discounted as a non factor.

People rightfully call out those who think Lloyd should be anything more than he has always been- a good hands WR who doesn't create much by way of speed or seperation. Lloyd typically showed an abymsmal YAC but again the Pats via Daniels knew what they were getting.

Having said that why is WW considered more of a liability, for lack of a better word, than the complimenatry WR Lloyd? Why can't the Pats draft/obtain that prototypical "big WR" and keep WW?

Banjo

I don't get this obsession with money. It's not MY money, nor it is any of yours, so pay Welker whatever the hell he wants!

BrickPat

Obviously I'm a keep WW guy [see above post]. Having said that its not about whose money it is. Its a question of whether Welker is demanding an unreasonably high salary that prohibits or inhibits the team from signing/resigning other quality players.

Bhelmet

This is tough. I would like to keep WW here, but it has to be at the right price. If they allow him to walk, it will have to be with Brady's approval and his "suggested" replacement. This could be an interesting off-season.

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satz

the jets are in salary cap trouble NOW. after signing and going crazy for what 5yrs.

At this time i do not give a damn. give brady every thing for 5yrs and i am willing to spend 2016-18 being 2 bad years.

Your love to save the 2016-18 seasons is not shared by me!.

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Deus Irae

Brady and Welker are this team's #1 and #2 weapons on offense, and Welker is, by all accounts, a great teammate. People, basically, are hoping that a team that consistently wins 12+ games while lighting up the scoreboards, and is in the hunt for the Lombardi every year, doesn't bring back the most important non-QB player on offense.

31 teams' fanbases would give their eyeteeth to have the guy, and here we've got a bunch of non-thinking "fans" who want to ship out a guy because he's human.

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DarrylStingley

It's not that simple.

Wes is a great player. But at what cost? Do you tie up $11.4 mm of the cap on him if you can't do a deal? Maybe. Probably. But don't you want BB to at least think about alternatives first?

In the SB loss last year and the Ravens game, both defenses dared the Pats to beat them on the outside. Both packed the middle. The Pats didn't have an outside threat in either game to counteract that. Yes, there were other problems but that was one of the issues that hurt the Pats.

So IF the Pats could use some of the "Wes money" to bring in a blue chip outside threat and then use Edelman or Hernandez or someone else in the slot, shouldn't they at least consider it?

I mean I love Wes a lot. I know that he is a huge producer. But they haven't won with him and maybe there's another way to skin the cat.

Entertaining that possibility doesn't make Pats fan who do so "non-thinking."

Deus Irae

There's a difference between a person who wants Welker back but is concerned about paying 11 million dollars and a person who doesn't want him back (or deliberately demands he accept vastly undervalued contracts) because he dropped a couple of passes, is old, slow, short, etc... One is thinking and coming to a legitimate (even if biased to one side or another) conclusion. The other is acting like a petulant child.

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Bhelmet

The missing piece - Gronk. Wes is so much more effective with Gronk and he does not have to be relied upon EVERY time. I just hope we get some luck on the health front.