OT: Francis Scott Key Bridge Hit by Cargo Ship. Entire bridge collapses.

BTTA said:

Feeling dense here - still not seeing the Ray Lewis connection.

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Baltimore.

Sorry, wrong thread

Patsfanin Philly said:

It will be interesting to see how long it takes them to rebuild. A truck fire in Philly caused part of I-95 to collapse and closed the highway for what was thought to be months. New governor got it rebuilt in 14 days, earning praise from all sides, shocking in this atmosphere....

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Philly doesn't mess around in these things.
Suggest we sell the Ravens to the fans and use that money. The current ownership has had a fine life up to now. Let them sell beer going forward.

Patsfanin Philly said:

It will be interesting to see how long it takes them to rebuild. A truck fire in Philly caused part of I-95 to collapse and closed the highway for what was thought to be months. New governor got it rebuilt in 14 days, earning praise from all sides, shocking in this atmosphere....

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That was impressive, getting the span cleaned up and rebuilt that quickly. But the design was probably close to the same. It will probably take a little longer to just clean this up given the channel is 50 feet deep and the pylons will have to be rebuilt. The design for protection of the pylons will also be an extra. Hopefully it gets done quickly. I hope the port is back in operation in a few months.

Tough now not to think “what if…” on trips over the Tobin. Similar structure to this one.

Patriot Missile said:

Can’t believe how fast it went down. Brings back memories of the Minneapolis bridge.

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Gravity wins every time.

Bill Lee said:

Let's see how that stands up in court.

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I assume it was insured. The insurance company will be on the hook.

Patsfanin Philly said:

It will be interesting to see how long it takes them to rebuild. A truck fire in Philly caused part of I-95 to collapse and closed the highway for what was thought to be months. New governor got it rebuilt in 14 days, earning praise from all sides, shocking in this atmosphere....

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This is considerably longer span that they'll have to replace.

DaBruinz said:

I'm sure there is going to be lawsuits all over the place. As it is, the Business Interruption for insurance purposes is going to be a nightmare. Baltimore is the 8th business port in the US with over 700K ships yearly. And I'm sure the Insurance Companies are going to want to recoup their losses as well.

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700k ships per year? 700,000?!? Really? That would be almost 2000 ships per day! Might there be some other metric intended?

Anyway, there are about three dozen large cargo ships (green on the map) just hanging out in the Chesapeake Bay now…

Expect shortages of new cars. Port of Baltimore handles a lot of new cars…

Pat the Pats Fan said:

That was impressive, getting the span cleaned up and rebuilt that quickly. But the design was probably close to the same. It will probably take a little longer to just clean this up given the channel is 50 feet deep and the pylons will have to be rebuilt. The design for protection of the pylons will also be an extra. Hopefully it gets done quickly. I hope the port is back in operation in a few months.

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About a 30 yard span versus 1 mile. Months would be a miracle.

Meanwhile, people hate traffic so much that the Philly bridge repair was "...the result of collaboration between contractors, material suppliers and union workers with local, state and federal officials, Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro (D) said."

Just awful. Saw this about 3 hours after it happened yesterday morning. Never had a bridge fear before, but may have one now. I did also order one of those window breakers off Amazon yesterday too.

PatsfanTN said:

Just awful. Saw this about 3 hours after it happened yesterday morning. Never had a bridge fear before, but may have one now. I did also order one of those window breakers off Amazon yesterday too.

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Good to have if you're in an area that is susceptible to flash flooding.

PatsfanTN said:

Just awful. Saw this about 3 hours after it happened yesterday morning. Never had a bridge fear before, but may have one now. I did also order one of those window breakers off Amazon yesterday too.

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I met a Harbor Master for NYC at one of the Pats Super Bowls.

His job was to drive all boats (I'm not sure about Navy) from a point outside NYC harbor to its final destination and back out to sea when they leave. I wonder if Baltimore had the same type of deal. Watching the boat pre collision it sure looks like they cut the corner kind of sharp. Seems Like you'd want to be close to the middle of both bridge supports.

Evidently the boat lost power and that it affected navigation.

ABC News wrote- A harbor pilot and assistant onboard the cargo ship reported power issues, multiple alarms on the bridge, and loss of propulsion prior to the incident, according to a Coast Guard memo obtained by ABC News.

An unclassified Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency report said the container ship Dali “lost propulsion” as it was leaving port and warned Maryland officials of a possible collision.

DaBruinz said:

I'm sure there is going to be lawsuits all over the place. As it is, the Business Interruption for insurance purposes is going to be a nightmare. Baltimore is the 8th business port in the US with over 700K ships yearly. And I'm sure the Insurance Companies are going to want to recoup their losses as well.

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Numerous articles in trade journals now detailing impact on insurance market.

"Collapse expected to drive "one of the largest claims" ever for marine market"

Major (re)insurers and P&I club on hook for Baltimore bridge disaster

Article points out that there are really deep pockets behind the operation of this vessel.

"Denmark-headquartered Maersk, the world’s second-largest shipping company, confirmed that it had chartered the vessel that hit the bridge, the container ship Dali. The Singapore-flagged vessel was operated by charter company Synergy Marine Group, according to a Financial Times report. Synergy said the owners of the Dali, Grace Ocean Pty Ltd, were cooperating with federal and state authorities."

Would not be surprised if the first wrongful death lawsuits aren't filed this week.

n6249c said:

Anyway, there are about three dozen large cargo ships (green on the map) just hanging out in the Chesapeake Bay now…

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I think it's more important to look at what is upstream of the bridge and now trapped in the harbor: at least three major US Navy logistics ships, the kind that carry tanks and artillery to remote bases of operations.

Baltimore is an important harbor because its railroad connections go back to the days of the Baltimore and Ohio railroad, which brings a LOT of things from the Midwest of the US and beyond to the Atlantic coast for shipment to the rest of the world.

Maritime Traffic link

n6249c said:

Expect shortages of new cars. Port of Baltimore handles a lot of new cars…

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The system will adjust. The link above shows that the outfit that handles VW and perhaps others is downstream of the bridge. There are other harbors. However we can be sure it will be used as an excuse to bump up prices on cars and on insurance.

Triumph said:

I met a Harbor Master for NYC at one of the Pats Super Bowls.

His job was to drive all boats (I'm not sure about Navy) from a point outside NYC harbor to its final destination and back out to sea when they leave. I wonder if Baltimore had the same type of deal. Watching the boat pre collision it sure looks like they cut the corner kind of sharp. Seems Like you'd want to be close to the middle of both bridge supports.

Evidently the boat lost power and that it affected navigation.

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All major ports have pilots that ships are required to take on for entrance and exit from the port.

Patsfanin Philly said:

It will be interesting to see how long it takes them to rebuild. A truck fire in Philly caused part of I-95 to collapse and closed the highway for what was thought to be months. New governor got it rebuilt in 14 days, earning praise from all sides, shocking in this atmosphere....

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big difference between an over-pass on land and a 1M long bridge on the water where they need to remove all the previous parts from the water and transport them to be reviewed as part of the investigation.

Not to mention getting stuff set up for new concrete pours in the water isn't easy.. But We'll see.

Driving tip: if you are heading north-south, skip inland routes that go through Baltimore and use 50/301 across the Delmarva Peninsula. We do that anyway, on frequent trips from DC northbound. It usually takes about 15 minutes longer but is more predictable and far more pleasant. Now, even more so.

I love how the media is now bloviating about this bridge collapse as a "SIGN OF OUR NATION'S CRUMBLING INFRASTRUCTURE!" i'm going to go out on a limb and say a fully loaded container ship with no stopping power that crashes into any bridge, regardless of "crumbling" or not, is going to bring down pretty much any bridge....